Ever Have Quasi Marxist Like Thoughts?

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What I mean is not "Marxism", but more like smashing the culture. Like all the political correctness, the superficiality, which are propped up by copyright and patents, and all the regulations, handed down by society and government? Why can't laws be obvious? I guess my thought is why can't there be a post-post mederism, that overthrows both cultural marxism/progressivism and traditionalism? Maybe I am stuck between both things, but I feel like both traditionalism and progressivism are flawed (in the cultural sense).

You mean, wanting to be god?

You wish to do away with law and order?

Thomas Hobbes wrote about that in Leviathan.

No, merely coercion. IDk, I feel like I am stuck in a rock in a hard place. On one hand, I think we should lower the age of consent (in line with Europe), legalize polygamy, have totally free speech, be able to consume whatever you want, and be able to be an individual, free of speech codes, soda bans, or other such things. On the other hand, I sometimes feel like people act kinda slu*ty, and irresponsible. I feel like on one hand, I am a traditionalist, but on the other hand, I feel like a raging progressive (in the cultural sense). Basically, people should be able to think for themselves, and barriers to that should be broken down.

I have Groucho Marxist thoughts all the time!

I sometimes have quasi-Marxist thoughts, but quickly snap out of it and allow them to become full-blown Marxist thoughts.

What I meant by marxist was the cultural component. Why are we so skittish towards sex and the like, or other things? Or why can't every man think for himself without regulation?

Because you live in the land of the free to do whatever you're told to do, natch.

I have fully Marxist thoughts.

Anyway, I saw your ephebophile thread that you blame feminism (which you equate with progressivism) for the uptight culture about sex. Just want to say that you can be a Marxist and a feminist. I don't actually believe there should be an AOC, but I do think that consent needs to be taken much more seriously and that rapists should be much more harshly punished. I believe Western liberalism is very hypocritical and weird about sex but I also want to smash the patriarchy.

Yeah, I have fully Marxist thoughts as well. A lot of what he wrote makes a lot of sense in a culture as socially and economically stratified as American culture is today.

That is too true.

I would like to read more about Marx besides the Manifesto, but in between my favorites and and school, it is a tad hard. I like his thoughts on borders, and a modified version of his class conflict theory (ala Sam Konkin) . I think the dollar being fiat has a lot to do with our impoverishment, although I don't trust the state to not impose a gold monopoly, although a gold backed currency would be a step in the right direction, not that currency is per se necessary. On the topic of communism, I have been reading Lenin as of late, and I think he forgot to turn off his lawyer filter, he kinda is hard to understand. Next on my list, Kroptkin, then more Marx. Somewhere i will read a tad more Rothbard.

I understand that point. There seems to be both "left" and traditionalist feminism, both which seem to compromise in an ungodly mix. It seems many times women say it is sick for an older man to find a younger women attractive, or even to date a girl who is within the AOC. I agree rape is wrong, but here is another issue that makes me a tad less empathetic to most feminist (the ones I hear). What defines rape? What if a man is in the act, the women asks him to stop , and he complies. Days later, he is under arrest. That is what I dislike. I think anyone, regardless of whatnot, has a right to self determination. But yeah I agree. I think laws like AOC and rape laws are to arbitrary, and need reform. One more think I would like to add is I think positive discrimination (racial or other quotas) are just as much wrong as the reverse. In all honesty, I personally wish we were under panarchism, and live and let live. But alas, we are not.

The reason AOC laws exist is because on average, the younger a person is, the less likely it is that they are capable of giving informed consent. It is a clumsy model based on statistical averages. Relationships are complex and laws that oversimplify them don't serve the feminist goal of making people more sensitive to issues like consent and mutuality. You can't say that after 16, or whatever, age, that every young person is 'fair game' some are still too emotionally stupid to be having sex even at 18 or 21. Some people are mature enough to have sex younger than 16 (though the number is much smaller than ephebophiles tend to hope it is.) The reason why people mature emotionally so late nowadays is, I think, due to the attitudes that society has towards sexuality and other forms of desire.

I'll use myself as an example: I lost my virginity at 18 and I wasn't mature enough then to have sex. The reason? I think I had taken in too much crap from society about sex and my own body. I saw myself as a commodity and sex as something I need to do in order to have a 'value' as a female. That doesn't make the man I lost my virginity to a rapist because I did say yes. It means that society had basically violated me inside my own mind. If I'd grown up in a healthier society, I would've been emotionally ready to have sex much earlier.

I don't think it's sick for a man to want to have sex with a teenage girl, it's basically natural, but I want to change the culture into one where men are more likely to think of the emotional implications of it for the girl. Society currently infantilises people (especially men) in terms of sexuality (I mean in terms of maturity, not like infantilism the fetish.) I want people to take responsibility for the consequences of their own desires, be they sexual or material; a consumerist or an authoritarian society encourages people to do exactly the opposite.

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I agree. Going back to my criticism of corporations as legal entities, it is similar to the whole AOC thing. Instead of pigeon holing someone or something into a predefined entity, it should be based more upon other factors. In the mean time, I find that 14 seems like a good happy medium, it maintains decent population growth, allows for a "child" to be equally represented under the law, etc. . And if you think of it, it was not until recently that they were considered "inferior" or at an infantile level. I think that the labor laws and education, among other things had an effect on this. Also consider that the youth movement/move towards a separate "teenage" phase of life did not happen until the 20th century.

So if you don't mind me asking, what do you think has led to the women like bad boy's, and things like that that MRA's accuse feminist of? I would argue that in real terms those things do not liberate women or such, but in any case.

I think some women have immature attitudes towards sex caused by society infantilising and commodifying them. Women like 'bad boys' for the same reason that some men can't deal with the complexities of real women and want a living blow-up doll. The stuff feminists and MRAs complain about are caused by the same thing.

I've edited my last post to give my own experience of this.

I don't think 14 is a good age for AOC laws because I don't believe there is a good age for AOC given how messed up people are.