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04 Dec 2012, 6:38 am

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=RfJ6FpabknY[/youtube]

Someone else will have to find the dotSUB transcript. I cannae be arsed on this useless thing.



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04 Dec 2012, 10:07 am

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Well, here we are on the last day of the monthand I've only just become aware that it's Islamophobia Awareness Month. How terribly unaware of me. Still, better late than never. I think it's important to be aware of Islamophobia, don't you? Not the concept, obviously, because that doesn't exist, but the word, which does exist and has been growing like a tumour on the language for some years now. Happily, the last two decades of relentless Muslim grievance mongering and knee jerk offence have made many of us keenly aware of the word "Islamophobia" as a cynical weapon of cultural terrorism and an outrageous attempt to portray common sense as a mental illness. We're aware that it's a poisonous lie peddled by Islamists and leftistsfor the purpose of censoring the ugly truth about Islam and bludgeoning people into guilt-ridden silence, and we're aware that it's a sneaky way for a fascist ideology to depict itself as a victim, and not as what it actually is - a predator. We're also aware that the word leaves an ugly stain on the character of everyone who uses it, because each time it is used, a transparent and deliberate lie is told. However, Islamophobia is not the only thing we're aware of,not any more, because, thanks to those same two decades of shameless privilege-seeking and groundless complaining, we've become aware that many Muslims have... well, special needs, in that they're psychologically chained to a raft of appalling double standards that we have to indulge if we're to avoid tantrums and violence. We're also aware of the default Islamic grievance monger's position that only their feelings are important, and nobody else's feelings are worth a damn. We're aware of all this, and we take it on board. Of course we do. (Yeah, right.) However, we're also aware that Islamic doctrine, with its disdain for freedom, its primitive view of women and gay people, it's anti-Semitism, and general hatred of all things non-Muslim, is entirely incompatible with all our fundamental beliefs and values, unfortunately. We're also aware that Islamic values are aggressively non-negotiable, which essentially offers us a choice between submissionand permanent conflict. Thanks for that. We're aware that the arrival of Islam in the West has not enriched our society in the slightest. It has poisoned it and set us at each other's throats over fundamental freedoms we used to take for granted. And we're aware that Islam is being imposed upon us in the name of diversity, but it hasn't brought diversity. It has brought division and mistrust. And every time we hear the word "Islamophobia", the divide gets wider and the mistrust grows. We're aware that there are far fewer violent physical attacks on Muslims than there are by Muslims on gay people and Jews, and that, thanks to repeated unprovoked attacks by ignorant and uncivilised Muslim immigrants, Jews and gays no longer feel safe in several European countries, but nobody wants to do anything about it, because it might be Islamophobic. We're aware that the professional complainers of Islam are quick to be offended by a movie trailer nobody has ever seen, but not when a young girl is shot in the head for wanting an education, nor by the thousands of other disgusting Muslim crimes against women, and we're aware that that makes them look like callous opportunistic hypocrites, which, in turn, makes it impossible for us to take seriously anything they say. That's such a shame, isn't it? Muslims who find that their religion is viewed negatively should have the good grace to stop skulking behind this slanderous word, show a little honesty for once, and admit that your religion is the problem - because it is. It's a religion that doesn't preach universal brotherhood,but universal Islamic domination, and there's a huge difference. It preaches hatred and violence in its holy scriptures, not just once or twice, but page after page. It shows open contempt for other beliefs and values. It defines itself in aggressively divisive terms, between Muslims and infidels who must be conquered and converted, between the House of Islam and the House of War, no less. It urges Muslims not to take infidels as friends, to force their social values into the lives of those around them, and to shove their religion down everybody's throat as soon as they're strong enough to do so. It's ultra sensitive to the point of paranoia, on a permanent hair trigger for possible imagined offence, and many of its followers regard violence as a legitimate response to criticism. Yet we're the ones with the mental illness? I don't think so. Hearing about the poor downtrodden Muslims as victims of Islamophobia is enough to bring tears to your eyes;tears of laughter at the brazen effrontery of it.Islamophobia is no more real than Naziphobia. There are very good reasons to beware of both ideologies,and they are the same reasons. Far from being an oppressed minority, the evidence shows that Muslims are a pushy and aggressive minority, and, when they're in a majority, they quickly becomeenthusiastic oppressors, driven by a laughabledelusion of divinely ordained supremacism which itself would be offensive if it wasn't such a sick joke,because, frankly, Islam is equipped to rule the worldthe way Mike Tyson is equipped to run NASA. I really think it's time the word "Islamophobia" was put out of its misery once and for all, because, frankly, it's getting embarrassing now. That word is just so discredited and so provably statistically false, that anyone still using it with a straight face merely shows the depth of their own dishonesty and their absolute contempt for the intelligence of everyone else. I still think an awareness month would be a good idea. I just think it would be more helpful to call it something else, like a cultural terrorism awareness month, or, even better, a hatred and violence in the Koran awareness month, because, unlike Islamophobia, that's something that really does exist in black and white for everyone to read.



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04 Dec 2012, 11:42 am

Very nicely done.

Does he ever get any intelligent responses from Moslems?



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04 Dec 2012, 12:58 pm

AFAIK, he gets a lot of threats of violence, murder and general harm from the Peacers. But. Also a lot of positive support (if not always constant agreement, which is fair enough) :lol: from some Muslims, particularly the genuinely liberal and tolerant kind who try to warn Westerners and governments about the Islamists.



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04 Dec 2012, 1:56 pm

My first objection to this screed is that it uncritically equates Islam and Islamists.

There is no one, singular, monolithic set of "Islamic values." Yet this self-appointed opinion maker seeks to persuade us that this is so, and they are, "aggressively non-negotiable." What utter mendacity.

There are muslims with hateful beliefs, just as there are Christians with hateful beliefs. But I do not not ascribe one hateful Christian's beliefs to all Christians. There are muslims who have perpetrated crimes of great violence. But, so too, there are Christians who have done the same--with comparable motivation, too. But we do not condemn all christians with the sins of Anders Breivik, yet here we are content to do that to all Muslims.

Now, if this were an essay focussed on the thesis that Muslims in the West have a vastly better lot than their partisans would have us believe, then I would go a long way down that road.

But what this piece of garbage seeks to do is not to tell us that Muslims have a full package of civil and political rights in the rest, but rather to tell people who don't like Muslims that they are justified in not liking Muslims.

This is, in a word, hatemongering.


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04 Dec 2012, 3:35 pm

I must admit, I am starting to get uncomfortable with Condell's rhetoric. I have even messaged him on this topic. I agree with him that there probably is no moderate Islam - that it was specifically set p.to br warmongering - but there are many moderaye aMuslims. That is where he falls down.

Scran is coming.



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04 Dec 2012, 3:45 pm

visagrunt wrote:
My first objection to this screed is that it uncritically equates Islam and Islamists.

There is no one, singular, monolithic set of "Islamic values." Yet this self-appointed opinion maker seeks to persuade us that this is so, and they are, "aggressively non-negotiable." What utter mendacity.


Actually, you are misrepresenting Islam much more than Pat Condell is. The description that Pat provides is the standard view in Sunni Islam (encompassing somewhere between 75 and 90 percent of the world's Muslims), which is corroborated by Islamic scripture, official government declarations and opinion polls.

I elaborated on this in my September 25 post in this thread.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4932129.html

In other words, the "piece of garbage" actually knows what he is talking about.



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04 Dec 2012, 6:36 pm

visagrunt wrote:

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There are muslims with hateful beliefs, just as there are Christians with hateful beliefs.


I think it's safe to say that the Muslims have us hateful Christians beat in the area of hate and violence.
I'm talking about in recent decades.


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04 Dec 2012, 6:52 pm

depends, in western relations of the middle east, perhaps.

but have you seen some of the christian "armies" you find in africa and what they do to children?

not that it in any way is a contest but the common factor here is sheer ignorance and intolerance, combine those with any authorative culture, be it christianity or islam and you have the perfect ideological storm.
so far i havent had any issues with the immigrants in denmark, i know quite a few and they are all as good and bad as your average dane.

there are of course outliers in both groups, still doesnt justify prejudice(the definition of which is quite interestingin relation to this debate).


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04 Dec 2012, 7:09 pm

White, middle aged, probably privileged Christian man on prejudice experienced by predominantly non-white, often economically vulnerable refugee or immigrant demographics.

Yeah.



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04 Dec 2012, 7:10 pm

thomas81 wrote:
White, middle aged, probably privileged Christian man on prejudice experienced by predominantly non-white, often economically vulnerable refugee or immigrant demographics.

Yeah.


LOL

Wiki before you post.



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04 Dec 2012, 7:13 pm

thomas81 wrote:
White, middle aged, probably privileged Christian man on prejudice experienced by predominantly non-white, often economically vulnerable refugee or immigrant demographics.

Yeah.


Yes, I keep forgetting that it's impossible for people of color to be racist against whites.
What was I thinking?


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04 Dec 2012, 7:16 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
White, middle aged, probably privileged Christian man on prejudice experienced by predominantly non-white, often economically vulnerable refugee or immigrant demographics.

Yeah.


LOL

Wiki before you post.


I really don't care for Condell, his misguided politics or his theology. In any case, thats why i used the caveat 'probably'.

Even if he is a non believer, you can bet your bottom dollar he would be in the leading wave of the little england mob who trip over themselves to cry 'foul' whenever the 'PC' mob try to take away his nativity scene or right to use the term 'Christmas' instead of 'winterval'.



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04 Dec 2012, 7:18 pm

Raptor wrote:

Yes, I keep forgetting that it's impossible for people of color to be racist against whites.
What was I thinking?


Um no the video is entitled Islamophobia but despite that Condell still manages to turn that into yet another asinine ten a penny diatribe on why he personally hates islam.

My point is, given his socio ethnic status even if he had managed to stay on topic he is hardly in a qualified position to debunk every legitimate instance of islamophobia.

A little thing called 'economies of power'. White, rich secular and christian men still call the shots. Condell is kidding himself by saying otherwise.



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04 Dec 2012, 7:20 pm

thomas81 wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
White, middle aged, probably privileged Christian man on prejudice experienced by predominantly non-white, often economically vulnerable refugee or immigrant demographics.

Yeah.


LOL

Wiki before you post.


I really don't care for Condell, his misguided politics or his theology. In any case, thats why i used the caveat 'probably'.

Even if he is a non believer, you can bet your bottom dollar he would be in the leading wave of the little england mob who trip over themselves to cry 'foul' whenever the 'PC' mob try to take away his nativity scene or right to use the term 'Christmas' instead of 'winterval'.


Since when did objecting to PC make you a bad atheist?



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04 Dec 2012, 7:21 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
White, middle aged, probably privileged Christian man on prejudice experienced by predominantly non-white, often economically vulnerable refugee or immigrant demographics.

Yeah.


LOL

Wiki before you post.


I really don't care for Condell, his misguided politics or his theology. In any case, thats why i used the caveat 'probably'.

Even if he is a non believer, you can bet your bottom dollar he would be in the leading wave of the little england mob who trip over themselves to cry 'foul' whenever the 'PC' mob try to take away his nativity scene or right to use the term 'Christmas' instead of 'winterval'.


Um, since when did objecting to PC make you a bad atheist?


Since when did being an atheist exclude someone from being a reactionary tosser?

I dont know if you even understand your own argument at this point.