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06 Dec 2012, 2:51 am

Why do some people choose to take offense at things/comments by other people that they know werent meant to be offensive?

For instance I was talking with a friend, and described my other friend as being Black, and very cool/nice. The other person I was talking too, got all offended, and screamed "you shouldnt say hes black thats racist" me "you know I didnt mean anything offensive" and my other friend got even madder.

Seriously, Iv'e seen other situations like this, and wonder why do people take offense at things that arent meant to be offensive?There has got to be some philosophical answer to this question of mine, am I right?


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06 Dec 2012, 3:47 am

Quite simply, we're not in Humpty Dumpty's world, and the words we use don't just mean what we want them to mean. Words have baggage, whether you like it or not, and you don't get a pass at using a word with negative baggage simply because "you don't mean anything by it". I mean, should I simply be allowed to call a dark-skinned person a "n*****" simply because I say I'm not racist? No, of course not! We are living in communities, and words are social constructs, with much further ranges than just what you mean to say at a single moment of time. Your words are not just yours, they are the whole community's, and you don't get to define them as you want (if everyone had their own private vocabulary, communication would be impossible). So you can be offensive even if you don't mean to be.

Of course, you may disagree on the community's treatment of a word, just as I find it a bit exaggerated to consider the word "Black" offensive. But that doesn't mean you can just ignore it and expect communication to flow smoothly. People have their own ideas of what a word means, and they can't read your thoughts. So if you use a word they find offensive, they will be offended, and there's nothing you can do about it. "I didn't mean anything offensive" isn't an excuse here, because no one but you knows what your meaning was. The listener only has your words to get to your meaning, and they will interpret them in their way, not yours, because they can't know your way.

I think your mistake here was to expect your listener to know in advance that you didn't mean anything offensive. Why should they? I mean, could what you said not have been understood as "despite being Black, he's cool/nice"? In that case their reaction was absolutely normal.

Having conversations is a complicated thing, and one of the important parts of it is to know your audience, and adapt your speech accordingly.


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06 Dec 2012, 4:28 am

Some people are just overly sensative is all you said black thats fine most folks black dont care really! Would you be offended by being called white? Of course not its the minorities of the groups that do there are just people out there that just try to find reasons to be offended or are overly sensative! Now if ya said something like darky or N***** thats a whole different story then yeah thats racist! Its like being called a honkey or cracker or wh***y!


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06 Dec 2012, 4:43 am

Tsela wrote:
I think your mistake here was to expect your listener to know in advance that you didn't mean anything offensive. Why should they?


"Black" should never be construed as an insult. OP was right in assuming the word black is not offensive to a reasonable person (if they were simply using it descriptively.) Speaking as someone who has been around black people I'm perplexed that someone would have any issue with using the term black to describe someone's appearance. It's no different than describing a woman as a woman, or a blonde as a blonde. Those words should not have any negative baggage in my opinion.



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06 Dec 2012, 5:08 am

Tsela wrote:
Quite simply, we're not in Humpty Dumpty's world, and the words we use don't just mean what we want them to mean. Words have baggage, whether you like it or not, and you don't get a pass at using a word with negative baggage simply because "you don't mean anything by it". I mean, should I simply be allowed to call a dark-skinned person a "n*****" simply because I say I'm not racist? No, of course not! We are living in communities, and words are social constructs, with much further ranges than just what you mean to say at a single moment of time. Your words are not just yours, they are the whole community's, and you don't get to define them as you want (if everyone had their own private vocabulary, communication would be impossible). So you can be offensive even if you don't mean to be.

Of course, you may disagree on the community's treatment of a word, just as I find it a bit exaggerated to consider the word "Black" offensive. But that doesn't mean you can just ignore it and expect communication to flow smoothly. People have their own ideas of what a word means, and they can't read your thoughts. So if you use a word they find offensive, they will be offended, and there's nothing you can do about it. "I didn't mean anything offensive" isn't an excuse here, because no one but you knows what your meaning was. The listener only has your words to get to your meaning, and they will interpret them in their way, not yours, because they can't know your way.

I think your mistake here was to expect your listener to know in advance that you didn't mean anything offensive. Why should they? I mean, could what you said not have been understood as "despite being Black, he's cool/nice"? In that case their reaction was absolutely normal.

Having conversations is a complicated thing, and one of the important parts of it is to know your audience, and adapt your speech accordingly.



I asked my friends about it later and they knew it wasnt meant to be taken as offense, yet said person took offense at the time. and btw I said it in an excited voice as my friend was excited about getting to know someone.

Im called b****, h** and a bunch of other things by people and I just laugh it off, because I know the person who says those things, is only joking around with me.


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06 Dec 2012, 5:12 am

if a white person can be called white, then what is wrong with referring to a black person as black? enquiring minds want to know.



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06 Dec 2012, 5:14 am

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if a white person can be called white, then what is wrong with referring to a black person as black? enquiring minds want to know.

Yes! Exactly. My friend KNEW I wasnt being offensive yet chose to act that way.


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06 Dec 2012, 5:27 am

Keniichi wrote:
Why do some people choose to take offense at things/comments by other people that they know werent meant to be offensive?



Your friend has allowed herself to be programmed to react this way by the social conditioning we are all exposed too, at school and in the media.

The result, as intended, is that your friend is now a racist for not only does she consider the term "Black" as being offensive, (I wonder if you talked about a white person if she would have had the same reaction?), but also people get so fed up with this political correctness that's gone way too far, that they are reacting against it by becoming more racist than they would have been otherwise.

Most people are sheep who cannot think for themselves but will believe what they are told to believe and act accordingly, its a clever form of propaganda.



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06 Dec 2012, 5:33 am

Keniichi wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
if a white person can be called white, then what is wrong with referring to a black person as black? enquiring minds want to know.

Yes! Exactly. My friend KNEW I wasnt being offensive yet chose to act that way.

there are some "black empowerment" memes which state that "african american" is the only acceptable term. i do not agree with this, as it is divisive. why then should i not be addressed as a european american? quite simply, because i've never even been to europe in the first place, and my ancestors had not been europeans for at least a century. i am thoroughly american by dint of the aforementioned conditions. the lions' share of black folk who insist on being called "african americans" also cannot claim to have even so much as visited africa, much less lived there for very long, nor are likely to have any direct ancestors who within a century have been native-born african citizens. so i consider the only acceptable term of address for any native-born american citizen, to be AMERICAN- no matter their color or anything else. for practical reasons of pointing somebody out in a crowd for ID purposes, one cannot gracefully get away from saying "that white person wearing..." or "that black person wearing..." or "that latino wearing..." or whatever.
if this be politically incorrect, then i will be forced to make the most of it, i guess. :shrug:



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06 Dec 2012, 8:40 am

ive recently been reading a book called about NT's called 'a field guide to Earthlings' which someone on another thread on this very forum recommended.

Basically, NT's have an ability we don't called 'symbolic filtering'. Where autistics might associate one word with a specific context, NT's tend to associate words with multiple contexts. This is the major problem in the AS/NT communication barrier and its how we tend to cause offence unintentionally.



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06 Dec 2012, 8:42 am

Keniichi wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
if a white person can be called white, then what is wrong with referring to a black person as black? enquiring minds want to know.

Yes! Exactly. My friend KNEW I wasnt being offensive yet chose to act that way.


Different power levels. In America, white and black people have different levels of social empowerment, therefore the same semantics do not apply when referring to ethnic group names.



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06 Dec 2012, 8:43 am

thomas81 wrote:
ive recently been reading a book called about NT's called 'a field guide to Earthlings' which someone on another thread on this very forum recommended.

Basically, NT's have an ability we don't called 'symbolic filtering'. Where autistics might associate one word with a specific context, NT's tend to associate words with multiple contexts. This is the major problem in the AS/NT communication barrier and its how we tend to cause offence unintentionally.


A high functioning Autistic should be able to learn a foreign language. He should be able to handle NT-speak. I have been doing it for a long time. I am no so fluent, I pass for human about 95 percent of the time.

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06 Dec 2012, 9:41 am

ruveyn wrote:
I am no so fluent, I pass for human about 95 percent of the time.


Talk about leaving the door wide open Ruveyn! :lol:

That's a tough one not to walk through. :P


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06 Dec 2012, 1:05 pm

Because people can be reactive over all kinds of things....emotions clouding reason. Welcome to my personal life lol


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06 Dec 2012, 2:05 pm

Political correctness and the hairstring trigger of race.



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06 Dec 2012, 2:41 pm

Next time, omit any racial description. It's not important to know what color the individual is anyhow.

Of course, you can just say he's green... That will freak her out. :mrgreen: