UK Christian whiners fail in their quest to get Sundays off

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30 Dec 2012, 11:59 am

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Christians have no right to refuse to work on Sundays, rules judge (The Telegraph)
  • Judges have been accused of diluting the rights of Christians after a key judgment on whether they can refuse to work on Sundays.
A new ruling by a High Court judge - the first on the issue in nearly a decade - says that Christians have no right to decline working on Sunday as it is not a “core component” of their beliefs.

The judgment - which upholds an earlier decision - means that individual Christians do not have any protection from being fired for not working on Sundays.

Campaigners said the decision puts Christians at a disadvantage to other religions and means the judiciary are deciding what the core beliefs of Christians can be, which they say is an interference in the right to practise religion.


Good for the judge, I say. Religious whingers should get absolutely no privileges that do not pertain to the rest of us.

And if the likes of Cei wonders why atheists and secularists dislike the religious, and especially those of the "special treatment" variety - see stories like this one.



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30 Dec 2012, 12:07 pm

It may have something to do with the fact that not all Christians sects can agree on which day their Sabbath falls. Is it Saturday or Sunday?


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30 Dec 2012, 3:17 pm

If having a Sunday off is that important, find a job that doesn't force you to work on that day, or do the work ahead of time. Otherwise, how many people would feign being Christians? Not a good precedent to set to say the least.



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30 Dec 2012, 3:20 pm

TheValk wrote:
If having a Sunday off is that important, find a job that doesn't force you to work on that day, or do the work ahead of time. Otherwise, how many people would feign being Christians? Not a good precedent to set to say the least.


Considering that most of the country is nominally Christian, it would just become another wheeze for Dani who works at Tesco to get the day off.



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30 Dec 2012, 3:55 pm

Dani who works at Tesco has the right to one day off a week anyway.

Given how secular we are becoming, I think most people in this country won't care about being asked to work Sundays. It would be arseholey of employers to force a Christian to work Sundays if there are alternatives.

So in essence, how is this "special treatment"?



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30 Dec 2012, 4:01 pm

All I asked was 9-12 off for church...



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30 Dec 2012, 4:02 pm

So does that mean I have to work 12 hours a day, 30 days straight without a day off?



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30 Dec 2012, 4:50 pm

No, you get one day off a week legally, and also have minimum paid holiday entitlements.



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31 Dec 2012, 3:56 am

Hiya Tequila!

Uh, I actually don't disagree with this. Same with the niqab ban in France, even, although I think that could have been handled better I don't disagree with the basic idea.

As I've said before, if you can't deal with something about your job, work it out, accept the consequences, or don't take the job in the first place. Ethical objections to part of a job aren't limited to the religious anyway. (Mr. Incredible comes to mind here, lol)

Also, Christianity in the UK. It's kinda hard to argue that you're being persecuted when you're in the majority.



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31 Dec 2012, 4:25 am

The UK must not have an equivalent to the US Free Exercise Clause.

With that being said, it's good to know that the evangelical whackjobs don't have much pull in British politics.


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31 Dec 2012, 9:00 am

I wonder what will happen when a Moslem wants a day off.



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31 Dec 2012, 9:13 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Dani who works at Tesco has the right to one day off a week anyway.


Yes, but it's not necessarily Sunday. And I think it's a bit off (especially in smaller businesses) that the people she works with will essentially be forced to fill in for her every week because she insists on that day off being Sunday (I wasn't referring to a proper Christian, but someone using religious privilege for their own means - said Dani could be using the Sunday to be "worshipping" in the pub, for all anyone else knows, and it's not like people are going to check - we don't live in 15th century England or modern-day Saudi Arabia or Pakistan... yet). We're becoming an increasingly flexible country in terms of religion - well, most of us are, anyway.

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Given how secular we are becoming, I think most people in this country won't care about being asked to work Sundays.


I'd be a bit hacked off if I was being "asked" to work to fit in with the special treatment that other people are receiving. It should be pretty much written into the job description anyway - be flexible or take a job that doesn't call for working on that day.

For my money, it was unclear what was being suggested in the article - that Sundays be considered a day off in addition to other days off, or whether it can be used instead of being another day.

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It would be arseholey of employers to force a Christian to work Sundays if there are alternatives.


Yes - like potentially forcing a non-Christian to work on that day.



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31 Dec 2012, 11:14 am

If a person is legally allowed one day off out of seven, then they should be allowed to state their preference for which day will be their designated day off.

HOWEVER, business is NOT about providing jobs in the first place (it's about making money), so if a employees refuse to show up for work on their assigned days, then employers are within their rights to terminate employment and hire people who will come to work whenever they are scheduled to do so.

Religion should not be about forcing others to accommodate the whims and wishes of religious people in the secular world, since having a religion is not legally considered a handicap.


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31 Dec 2012, 11:17 am

Fnord wrote:
If a person is legally allowed one day off out of seven, then they should be allowed to state their preference for which day will be their designated day off.

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Even so, his choice of day has to fit the mode of operation set for the business by its proper owner or manager.

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31 Dec 2012, 11:22 am

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Even so, his choice of day has to fit the mode of operation set for the business by its proper owner or manager.

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Exactly - but that wish from the religious person should be a preference and not an automatic right, as that will often lead to conflict with other employees who will wonder why they can't have Sundays off themselves sometimes.



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31 Dec 2012, 11:24 am

Fnord wrote:
If a person is legally allowed one day off out of seven, then they should be allowed to state their preference for which day will be their designated day off.

HOWEVER, business is NOT about providing jobs in the first place (it's about making money), so if a employees refuse to show up for work on their assigned days, then employers are within their rights to terminate employment and hire people who will come to work whenever they are scheduled to do so.

Religion should not be about forcing others to accommodate the whims and wishes of religious people in the secular world, since having a religion is not legally considered a handicap.

Who says it's about making money? It's about being a human being first and foremost. Anything human does is about being a human being. It means use the conscience. If you are going to sit there making up excuses you are just as bad as all the others who do the same for bad behavior. Do you agree bad behavior should be excused? Well, he was just making money after all, and that's part of business, so let him do whatever the f he wants. Is that what you think? Then you might as well excuse bad behavior across the board because you can always find an excuse. Right?