The Biggest Immigration Misconception in American Media

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This is what the majority of people who oppose immigration reform do not know.



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I agree, and it applies to Singapore too.

As long as there are enterprising people that offers good jobs or helps attract high-paying jobs that people can do to the best of their capabilities, I am in favor of immigrants. Even if they are illegal, as long as they can do the job, why not have them?

But on the other hand, if they want to keep to their own world and become Americans/Singaporeans/whosoever of convenience by illegal immigration, and drain away social services in the long run, then I think it's good not to have them, though I think this will not be the case if the society concerned is robust.

Last edited by ruennsheng on 07 Jan 2010, 8:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The guy is an "ass hat."

If you are in a nation illegally, you are breaking the law. Civil or criminal has no difference. A nation has a right to detain you and deport you back to your home country...even on a civil matter, especially if you are a flight risk. As most illegals (Mexican in America's case) would pack their bags and flee to another town if they are discovered, "arresting" them is the only way to ensure they will be processed and deported. As they know that is the consequence for sneaking into America in the first place, I see little wrong with that.

Many other "illegals" who become such due to technicality (e.g. Visa expiration) are notified and expected to leave of their own free will, and most of them do. Incarceration and deportation never become necessary, and they do not come close to being a significant number in the problem of "illegal immigration."

He admits to the issue of an "illegal alien" obtaining falsified documents, making false legal statements to gain employment, etc. are criminal acts. Hence, his position is highly technical and a load of rubbish as it changes little to nothing about the issue. Oh, how about the fact that just entering a country, with the intention of staying illegally, obtaining employment, etc. requires that when you are interviewed when entering the nation YOU HAD TO LIE to an official to gain entry. How many illegal aliens from Mexico came to the USA and admitted that their intention was to stay for 20 years and work without being a U.S. citizen or obtaining a work Visa? Had they said that, they would have been turned away at the border. No. They either sneaked across the border (a CRIMINAL offense), or they came in through a checkpoint under false pretenses (again, a CRIMINAL offense).

America doesn't have a problem with masses of Canadians flooding into the nation using up taxpayer-funded services and programs and taking jobs illegally, we do have that problem with Mexico (predominantly) and a few other nations that want to solve their poverty problem by off loading them into America.

This guy is trying to take a slim minority of "illegal alien" cases and make it sound like they are the majority. If you came into the USA on a work Visa that then expired, you may be an "illegal alien" but you entered the USA legally. You didn't falsify statements to officials or forge documents to gain entry. You didn't smuggle yourself across the border.

I can't watch the video at the moment, but to me the issue boils down to this: no one would bother to cross illegally if there weren't jobs, and there wouldn't be jobs is there wasn't need. I realize that plenty of citizens are unemployed, but it isn't just about working for less; it is also about being willing to take the dreg jobs and work their tails off. Employers want these people as employees. Hence, they come. We NEED some sort of guest worker program to move it all above board. I know that compromise makes neither side of the political debate happy, but it is the only thing that makes sense when you look at it pragmatically.

And beyond that these people have kids that must be educated and they have health needs that endanger the populace as a whole if they are not taken care of. If they are illegal, laws can and probably should be changed.

I love immigrants. I'm an immigrant.

I hate ILLEGAL immigration because that's one way America is destroying itself. You can't just let random assbags in, there has to be a screening process. Being here is a privilege, not a right. This country is freakin' awesome.

I think that there should be amnesty for illegals who are well-settled here, but the ones in prisons should be deported. Also, close the door to any NEW illegals.

i agree with the sheriff of mericopa county, az(where phoenix is) - that the illegals should really be arrested and deported for NOT followiing the rules and coming here LEGALLY(even more ideal - people who own land that is on the border should really be allowed to pick them off and then get off because our public assistance system CANNOT AFFORD to clothe and support them).

This man is an idiot.

Saying there is no such thing as a crime of "being illegal" is like saying there is no crime of rape. The analogy I make stands to the effect that both are intrinsic violations of law which, as law we know dictates, is punishable by use of force (e.g. imprisonment). His deconstructionist attitude essentiallly disregards 300+ years of legal theory associated with legalism.

The economics of the USA, especially in agriculture, is vitally dependent upon the low cost labor provided by the illegal immigrants. Although many farmers pay and maintain their labor fair wages, a very large number do not and take advantage of the legal leverage of having illegal laborers under duress to accept low standard accommodations and unfair low wages. That's how the system is functioning.

You're talking about Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. What he says and what accomplishes are two different things. He spends millions in anti-illegal dragnets, and winds up getting like 45 illegals a year. And then it's like, what, a bunch of landscapers, dishwashers, maids, themepark ride operators...

and I don't like HIM. I don't like how he puts out smear campaigns against political opponents, or any body who disagrees with him. It's ridiculous.

In the past, I liked Sheriff Arapo but now I think he is somewhat of a nutcase.

And that is a major problem.

Minimum wage laws don't keep pace with inflation. A man making minimum wage when it was established could support a small family on a meager budget. Today, you can barely support yourself on a meager budget.

Farm labor is HARD WORK. Paying a person next to nothing (or just minimum wage) for doing it is an insult. You can bag groceries in an air-conditioned grocery store and make more money than a farm laborer. Because we won't fix issues like this, AMERICANS won't take jobs like that. They know the law entitles them to better pay and treatment. So, they seek a flood of illegal labor to fill the gap. Even legal aliens used as migrant workers have been documented as among the most EXPLOITED workers in America for several decades. Little or nothing has been done to fix this problem.

Illegals don't take jobs Americans don't want. Illegals prevent the natural market forces from coercing farmers, distributors, merchants, etc. to improve the pay and work conditions so that at least the most desperate out-of-work Americans will take those jobs. Why fix something when you can find functionally illiterate, illegal and DESPERATE laborers you can exploit with the government's nudge and wink of approval?

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is an ass, but he says things most people agree with. He's not into playing for the politically correct crowd, and since people are tired of criminals going to jails where they live better than many law-abiding people in poverty and seeing immigrants enter the nation illegally and unleash the flood of crime they bring with them, the drain on the community resources, etc. and other issues, they support someone not afraid to speak his mind in defiance of what a politician would say is politically expedient.

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Yeah zer0netgain's already covered the issue here.

The citizens of the U.S. are collectively co-owners of the nation, and collectively have the right to secure its borders against trespass and attack. There is no natural right for any outsider to be in this country. This is our house and we collectively and politically get to say who should be here and who should not.

ruveyn

I was just thinking the same...

I disagree with you on few points. It isn't just about money. Mobility, work ethic, and so many other factors come into play. Granted, my personal experience is not with the farm labor, but living so close to a neighborhood that is raided regularly for illegal immigrants, I know these families and how they are a vital part of the fabric here. The construction companies can pick up experienced day labor when they need it, no long term obligation. The middle class mom working full time can hire a maid to come by every few weeks. Pretty much all these people are paying at least double the minimum wage; its the flexibility, the willingness, and the work ethic, and simple fact that we don't have many working-for-any-work and able citizens living here, that keeps everyone from asking the sensitive question, "um, are you legal?" We've got them volunteering at our schools. Being nannies for the kids. Few living here want this part of our community ripped away; it is someone living somewhere else who assumes they've stolen jobs or are dragging the economy. Locally, that isn't what we see. I see people who love this country and long for a way to be here legally and not have to live in the shadows. They are grateful and hard working, taking nothing for granted, and savy enough not to be treated as slaves. But, yes, for them the give and take equation is a little different than it is for someone who grew up in the US with its media influences. That doesn't mean they are illiterate (they usually are not) or stupid. Just living a different math equation.

It's the assumption that the workers won't make enough that keeps the liberals from supporting guest worker programs, and the idea that we'd allow them at all that seems to keep the conservatives out of it. But as much as I was not a George Bush fan, this was one area that I've always believed he "got," and I was really disappointed that he couldn't make it happen. It is better than sitting here arguing about it all year after year, saying something else has to change that never will, believing we can kick them all out when we never will, while communities like mine embrace them and try to keep quiet about it. It leads to so many other problems that don't have to exist.