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05 Mar 2013, 6:51 pm

Israel unmasked, to reveal the racist nature underneath. Like the 1950s USA all over again. Guess they want to segregated public transport so they can start bombing with impunity without risking Israeli lives.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 34321.html


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05 Mar 2013, 7:39 pm

On one hand, many of us Americans will see this as an Israeli answer to separate but equal. But I'd imagine the Israeli answer would be it's simply a way to cut down on suicide bombings.

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05 Mar 2013, 7:41 pm

If it was operated by the Palestinian authority, you might have a case but its not. I don't understand how this can be dressed up as anything other than craven racism on Israel's part.

Justifying it by saying Palestinians are more likely to be suicide bombers is analogous to saying there is a precedence for black only buses because black people are more likely to be criminals.


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05 Mar 2013, 7:49 pm

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If it was operated by the Palestinian authority, you might have a case but its not. I don't understand how this can be dressed up as anything other than craven racism on Israel's part.

Justifying it by saying Palestinians are more likely to be suicide bombers is analogous to saying there is a precedence for black only buses because black people are more likely to be criminals.


I wasn't defending the practice - as I had initially written, from an American perspective, it would be seen as "separate but equal," which was used for legal racial discrimination.

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05 Mar 2013, 8:05 pm

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If it was operated by the Palestinian authority, you might have a case but its not. I don't understand how this can be dressed up as anything other than craven racism on Israel's part.

Justifying it by saying Palestinians are more likely to be suicide bombers is analogous to saying there is a precedence for black only buses because black people are more likely to be criminals.


It would be unjust to single at blacks as criminals because the are white criminals and asian criminals. however , are there any Jewish suicide bombers. Do tell me that.

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05 Mar 2013, 8:14 pm

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It would be unjust to single at blacks as criminals because the are white criminals and asian criminals. however , are there any Jewish suicide bombers. Do tell me that.

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its not the point, by operating this policy they're making a broad generalisation that all arabs are potential bombers. The policy of american blacks having to give up their seats is born from similar thought processes behind this.

I would also like to know how much of this is intended to give the Israeli air force better targets.


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05 Mar 2013, 8:28 pm

thomas81 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

It would be unjust to single at blacks as criminals because the are white criminals and asian criminals. however , are there any Jewish suicide bombers. Do tell me that.

ruveyn

its not the point, by operating this policy they're making a broad generalisation that all arabs are potential bombers. The policy of american blacks having to give up their seats is born from similar thought processes behind this.

I would also like to know how much of this is intended to give the Israeli air force better targets.

It's not good for the air force to bomb their own roads short of them being invaded. Not only does it make Israeli buses safer, but it provides a cheaper option than the private buses operating out of the west bank......and the Israeli buses will smell a lot better too so everybody wins! :P


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05 Mar 2013, 8:36 pm

Sounds like segregation to me.It makes people even more divided.Remember when there were white and black drinking fountains?And there were bombings and terror down here.


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05 Mar 2013, 8:51 pm

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and the Israeli buses will smell a lot better too so everybody wins! :P


wow.

Its statements like this that make me wonder why I post on this forum.

Not cool.


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05 Mar 2013, 9:03 pm

I didn't get the smell thing. Is it the obvious and despicable racist comment or can it be understood as an innocent joke? :?

Anyway, I can't be judgemental towards the authorities who conceived this rule. In a country with such a danger of suicide bombing, that could be understood as being pragmatic, not racist. But I will not make bets on the absence of racism here. Both sides of the conflict have lost their reason a long time ago.



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05 Mar 2013, 9:41 pm

*Sigh* When will Israel and Palestine simply learn to share?



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05 Mar 2013, 11:17 pm

thomas81 wrote:
Israel unmasked, to reveal the racist nature underneath. Like the 1950s USA all over again. Guess they want to segregated public transport so they can start bombing with impunity without risking Israeli lives.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 34321.html


'with impunity' .

That choice of words tells me you approve of the killing of innocents in buses by suicide bombers.

..which renders any sort of argument, whine or message you are trying to deliver as utterly irrelevant garbage.

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06 Mar 2013, 12:34 am

Dantac wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Israel unmasked, to reveal the racist nature underneath. Like the 1950s USA all over again. Guess they want to segregated public transport so they can start bombing with impunity without risking Israeli lives.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 34321.html


'with impunity' .

That choice of words tells me you approve of the killing of innocents in buses by suicide bombers.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but how does it tell you that, exactly?



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06 Mar 2013, 1:02 am

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I didn't get the smell thing. Is it the obvious and despicable racist comment or can it be understood as an innocent joke? :?

Anyway, I can't be judgemental towards the authorities who conceived this rule. In a country with such a danger of suicide bombing, that could be understood as being pragmatic, not racist. But I will not make bets on the absence of racism here. Both sides of the conflict have lost their reason a long time ago.

Most off the middle east has very poor to non-existent hygiene. The Palestinian parts of the west bank are usually critically low on water even for drinking and cooking.


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06 Mar 2013, 1:35 am

thomas81 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

It would be unjust to single at blacks as criminals because the are white criminals and asian criminals. however , are there any Jewish suicide bombers. Do tell me that.

ruveyn

its not the point, by operating this policy they're making a broad generalisation that all arabs are potential bombers. The policy of american blacks having to give up their seats is born from similar thought processes behind this.

I would also like to know how much of this is intended to give the Israeli air force better targets.


"We've just received intelligence that our target is holed up in a mosque in gaza. What should we do?"

"Lets wait till he gets on a Palestinian only bus in Tel Aviv, and then fire a missile at it."

"good idea Mr. Lamarr."

"Of course it is Taggart!"


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06 Mar 2013, 2:23 am

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thomas81 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

It would be unjust to single at blacks as criminals because the are white criminals and asian criminals. however , are there any Jewish suicide bombers. Do tell me that.

ruveyn

its not the point, by operating this policy they're making a broad generalisation that all arabs are potential bombers. The policy of american blacks having to give up their seats is born from similar thought processes behind this.

I would also like to know how much of this is intended to give the Israeli air force better targets.


"We've just received intelligence that our target is holed up in a mosque in gaza. What should we do?"

"Lets wait till he gets on a Palestinian only bus in Tel Aviv, and then fire a missile at it."

"good idea Mr. Lamarr."
"Of course it is Taggart!"

That would be the hard way to do it.


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