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08 Mar 2013, 10:44 am

Israeli citizens are leaving Israel complaining about not being looked after, and are retreating to Germany, the same country they were persecuted. Suggests that if this is the case, then Israel under its existing guise is losing relevance.

http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-e ... y-1.384831

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"It's painful that artists can't make a living in Israel and that there isn't enough respect for culture and art there," according to one Israeli at the party. "When Israel was more socialist, it was shameful to leave the country. But nowadays, when the state doesn't take care of its citizens, they have no choice but to leave. The fact that so many artists are leaving should be a wake-up call for the country."

Nati Ornan, 36, an actor, writer and performer who moved here in November 2010, says, "Now there are more Israeli artists in Berlin than in Israel. I think this is like the proverbial destruction of the Third Temple - the destruction of the Jewish spirit, which was gradually decaying until the current [social and economic] revolution, which has begun to lift it.

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08 Mar 2013, 12:31 pm

I'm sure Israel is really aching from the loss of freeloaders.

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08 Mar 2013, 12:54 pm

Sometimes, it is good to get out of one's home country, and get a new perspective on life.

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08 Mar 2013, 1:12 pm

Jacoby wrote:

I'm sure Israel is really aching from the loss of freeloaders.

yes, i'm sure israel will benefit greatly from no cultural productivity.

its this sort of anti intellectualism that gave rise to the nazis.

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08 Mar 2013, 1:23 pm

:roll:
If they're leaving just because they're not being looked after enough then it will be no great loss for Israel.

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08 Mar 2013, 1:54 pm

:roll:

Speaking of which

http://www.theworld.org/2010/10/welfare ... odox-jews/

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08 Mar 2013, 1:56 pm

thomas81 wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

I'm sure Israel is really aching from the loss of freeloaders.

yes, i'm sure israel will benefit greatly from no cultural productivity.

its this sort of anti intellectualism that gave rise to the nazis.

Ironic considering Adolf was an artist himself.

Why won't Israel have any "cultural productivity"? I'm not sure what that even means. "Artists" that can't stand on their two feet with their work but expect to be supported are the very height of pretentiousness. Petulant spoiled babies, how is their "art" any different than mine or any else that does it as a hobby? Why should some factory worker or teacher or whoever be forced to support them? There are some very technically talented people out there in whatever their medium is but there is no threshold besides the market economy. What do they produce that won't be produced otherwise?

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08 Mar 2013, 2:10 pm

thomas81 wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

I'm sure Israel is really aching from the loss of freeloaders.

yes, i'm sure israel will benefit greatly from no cultural productivity.

its this sort of anti intellectualism that gave rise to the nazis.

Nonsense. The Nazis promoted art. Bad art.

If a few Israelis are annoyed at not getting government support, by all means they should go to where they think they will make out better.

Governments should not be in the business of subsidizing art anyway.

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08 Mar 2013, 3:02 pm

http://www.indiana.edu/~liblilly/wpa/wpa_info.html

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The Works Progress Administration (WPA) was a relief measure established in 1935 by executive order as the Works Progress Administration.....

Particularly novel were the special programs. The Federal Writers' Project (more information available from Indiana State University's library) prepared state and regional guide books, organized archives, indexed newspapers, and conducted useful sociological and historical investigations. The Federal Arts Project gave unemployed artists the opportunity to decorate hundreds of post offices, schools, and other public buildings with murals, canvases, and sculptures; musicians organized symphony orchestras and community singing.(video clip, 493k) The Federal Theatre Project experimented with untried modes, and scores of stock companies toured the country with repertories of old and new plays, thus bringing drama to communities where it had been known only through the radio....

I would much rather see money going to support activities such as these than to support our ridiculous and greedy military-industrial complex and all of its parasitic contractors.

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08 Mar 2013, 3:38 pm

Who's turn was it to bring the troll spray today?

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08 Mar 2013, 4:19 pm

I don't think he's trolling, that's probably a heartfelt belief. I don't want to pay people to dig ditches or play flutes in the park obviously but I agree that it is small potatoes compared to our reprehensible military imperialism abroad and our growing police state at home under the guise of "homeland security." While cuts to social programs/welfare are unavoidable, they should certainly come after the most immoral parts of government.

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08 Mar 2013, 4:35 pm

thomas81 wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

I'm sure Israel is really aching from the loss of freeloaders.

yes, i'm sure israel will benefit greatly from no cultural productivity.

its this sort of anti intellectualism that gave rise to the nazis.

Israel's economic strength is its technological talent. Israel has one the highest rates a patent production per capita of any country in the world.

By the way, that USB you plugged into your computer was invented by an Israeli.

America leads the world in the production of pizza and movies. Israel is a world leader in technological invention.

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08 Mar 2013, 4:49 pm

Israel does get a lot of tourists. I wonder if they've thought of selling art in tourist shops? Depictions of Jesus at some of the sites ought to sell well. Maybe replicas of artifacts, or bones of a saint. The trouble is, it is a lot cheaper to import that stuff from China than to employ local artists and craftsmen.

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08 Mar 2013, 4:51 pm

i think Robin Williams put it best in the movie 'the dead poets society'.

"Science, technology medicine etc. are all noble pursuits. They enable us to live. The arts give us a reason to live".

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08 Mar 2013, 4:54 pm

Jacoby wrote:

I didn't name an individual.
To do so would be a personal attack and we can't have that, now........

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08 Mar 2013, 4:55 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Nonsense. The Nazis promoted art. Bad art.

the latter is precisely the point.

They also burnt books.

ruveyn wrote:

Governments should not be in the business of subsidizing art anyway.

why should they be in the business of subsising anything?

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