What are the beliefs of WP members?

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stopped caring a long time ago

With the Stormfront question, I used that because we sometimes need a break from the more "conventional" hot button topics (same-sex marriage, etc.)

WP as an aggregate entity is an everythingtarian.

I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

Conservatives
While I have friends who could be considered conservative, I am certainly not one. While I have admiration for fiscal conservatives, the leadership of political conservatives seem more interested in "out hard hearting" each other, appeal to the worst in people with barely disguised class and ethnic prejudice, vilify those in need, and offer a helping hand to those who need it least.

Liberals
Well, I am one. Yep, I have a literal bleeding heart. I think we as a society do our best for everyone when everyone is included in prosperity. I feel for the underdog, who more often than not are gays, and ethnic and religious minorities - we white Christian males aren't going to lose out by allowing others a share in what we have.

Abortion of mental disabled fetuses, or just in general
No. Mentally disabled people have worth, too. There are plenty of people out there who wouldn't blink twice before aborting babies with Asperger's.
As for abortion in general - I don't like abortion, but the fact of the matter is, if it were made illegal, it's naive and outright foolish to believe it would just go away. A thriving illegal abortion industry, free from sanitary medical procedures, would simply replace legal, safe abortions, with all the death, infection, and possible sterility that had accompanied it back when it was still illegal. On top of that, the pro-life movement is so connected to the hip to the far political right that they are the same people who want to see government medical care, and food stamps a thing of the past - and guess what, taking these services away from children in need is just as much murder.

Christianity
I'm a practicing Lutheran, and so yes, I fancy myself a believer. I believe in Christ's duel nature and redemption of mankind through his death. Salvation for me is entirely in God's hands, rather than the popular notion of making a choice on our own, accompanied with a grand born again experience. I believe faith is part of God's gift, and for that faith to be real, it has to be in action - that is, we are indeed our brother's (and sister's) keeper, especially for the most needy among us. I admit, I'm very critical of the religious right and the evangelical movement, especially for their alliance with the political right with all it's contempt for those in need, and their insane notion that those in need are outside of God's grace. That, and I admit I dislike evangelicals for condemning even us mainline Christians to hell for simply not being born again fundies and holy rollers.

Storm Front
A bunch of social misfits who take their own inadequacies anonymously out on other ethnic and religious groups, gays, political liberals, etc. It's people like them who make a German American like me cringe for their adoration of Nazism, and associating Pre-Christian Germanic history and archeology (which is an Aspie obsession with me) with their own pathetic, twisted ideology.

Terms that can be used pejoratively
I admit, like anyone else, I've used words for other groups of people that is clearly ugly. I'm not perfect. But I like to think I've grown wiser and more tolerant as I've gotten older.
Well, okay, I'll still use words like fundie and holy roller, as evangelicals tend to be one of my least favorite groups.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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I think manifesto politics is a dead end, and those that are obsessed by it are only fooling themselves. It is like asking for disappointment when they aught be a lot more pragmatic.

I tend not to subscribe the broad historical labels, because it tends to absolve oneself of thinking about what is needed. Aslo it is funny that people support parties like football teams, even absorbing policies that are only there because of a historical oposition (or in more contemporary politics policy stealing), and an a similar party in another domain, could be totally different with that issue. But people assume that is what they are supposed to believe because that is what it means to be of that persuasion.

I'm a competitionist, and we are not as competitive as we like to believe or preach. Many of our capitalist systems pretty uncompetitive in fact. The banking crisis is a key example of that. There is a lot of corporate protectionism, but due tot he nature of economic, some markets are better than others. Mussolini would be proud of the amount of collusion that goes on today, he would have not have assumed it would end up exactly how he wanted, even though he was hung from a meat hook.

I'm not one the subscribe to "naturalistic" self-righting economics, I put those proponent in the same category with tho used to believe the universe was infinite or unchanging. It is on the same level as gaia world theory, and ironically not true to nature at all. Just because it is inherently complex and difficult to predict due to the billions of people involved doesn't mean we aren't driving it. What I do believe in is natural limitations, which is why some market are more diverse and competitive than others. Remember than natural inclination is to destroy the competition or avoid competing. This is why diverse markets are inherently more stable, it is to do with the nature of the race.

Capital is important, but open ended definitions of property lead to uncompetitive and unstable markets. I believe in Intellectual Property Law reform. I would have limited, 5 years tops. It would have to be for the innovator, with genuine new ideas, not just different contexts. You only have to study the history and current practice IP, to know it is a total misnomer, and not good economics. If someone can build on my idea, come up with something better, then they should not be stopped. Some things are though s**t.

I believe anything that stops complacency is good, so even cheap imports, and counterfeit goods have a role.

I believe that competition is even more fundamental than capital. During the cold war, and even before, we developed the attitude that because we are not like them, and they are the idealist, therefore we are not. This is a logical fallacy. We are all idealists, but I try to be anti-idealist. I believe in mechanisms only, in that you use things only to the extent that they are useful to achieve an ends, and do treat that thing as the only solution for everything.

I'm an Atheist, however I believe that private groups should be allowed to practice whatever crazy beliefs they like, so long as it doesn't affect other people lives, therefore by that same token we shouldn't be telling them how to run their affairs. This is why the separation of church and state is important. It is funny that those that preach this are often the biggest hypocrites.

I don't think we should have delusions of perfection, however, if a fetus when developed is going to have no quality of life, and not way of controlling anything, than as personal decision, I can understand. I'm pro-choice generally, but these aren't easy questions. I'm also an advocate for disability rights, I'm just not a politically correct one.

Regarding stormfront. People tend to focus on these people's ideology, but there is another side to these sorts of groups.

It is like any clique, it is allows people to feel righteous, and all the bad things are because of other people. It is away of not taking responsibility for your own faults.

Also the more active skins, it allows them to justify, their enjoyment of violence. It is funny that they often cause more carnage with internal fighting that, with the groups the wish to target.

I don't believe for a minute that Hitler believed in the mysticism that Himmler did, but he realized that it was useful to unite the Third Reich inner circle.

Had they actually shared those more peculiar beliefs with the wider population, they would have actually made themselves into laughing stock, and both expert on German prehistory and christian would have disowned them soon after.

Everyone knows that swastika is a Hindu symbol, the word Ayran means from Iran, and most of the ideology is made up crap.

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i used to live in a relatively conservative part of Canada. i am not conservative, myself. i didn't like the viewpoints that arose from that region.


i am liberal in most regards.


doesn't bother me particularly (i am pro-choice). i personally think the only way to stop this is to re-educate the public over time, so that there is a cultural shift where people with disabilities are protected and cherished. i don't think that outlawing abortion will stop it from happening.


don't care really, i am agnostic.


it's racist. not sure what else needs to be said about that. i guess it gets boring to proselytize to converts, so denizens periodically launch troll attacks on WrongPlanet.


no point in using the words as an insult really. depending on context though:

Conservatives

Different types--libertarian leaning, social conservatives, pseudo-conservatives (neocons), etc.
Some of them are OK, while others are just annoying.

Liberals

I generally disagree with them and I find them more annoying than annoying conservatives.

Abortion of mentally disabled?

I personally oppose abortion, but, as an anarchist, I believe it is the mother's choice, even if I disagree with it.

Stormfront

Bunch of idiots

Pejorative terms

Don't really care.

Well, more half direct democracy, really. Something like the Swiss model (yes, from that country that used their democracy to ban minarets), where we have a federal UK and people can choose how they want their own part of the country to be run. So most of the taxes would be raised locally and people would choose who represented them at the local level (and in the police) and people could choose what they wanted and what they didn't want to fund and only things that cannot be done on a local or county (or a cluster of counties) level would be done federally at the government level. There would be no recourse to foreign courts. The idea is that the people are the best people to govern themselves, and they should not be 'guided' by politicians. In fact, I want my politicians to be generally unremarkable and unimportant.

If we had direct democracy in this country, we would be out of the EU almost immediately and mass immigration would be dumped. Everyone knows this, which is why it won't happen.

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In British terms, it's more socialist and not especially liberal, I'd say. In fact, I find your political views decidedly illiberal.

The Liberal Democrats used to be a fairly liberal party, but they dumped that part of their manifesto long ago (they still have a minority genuinely liberal faction, but it's maligned). So I could never vote for them.

I would rather become a fundamentalist Mormon than vote Labour, and the Conservatives aren't worth the dirt off my shoe. So "disgusting" UKIP is the best option at the moment, although if, once we leave the EU, there comes a genuinely (classic) liberal party, I'd vote for them.

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I'm a classical liberal. I'm also a conservative. What does that make me?

Oh, and the Stormfronters are racist paranoid fruitcake supremacist loners. Every time I pass it I feel my brain melting. At least they're relatively open about their hatred, mind.

i am not speaking in British terms.

I practice (Wu Wei) Philosophical Taoism. Action through Inaction, Religious Taosim doesnt rub me right at all. Basically I'm learning to become a sage who lets the Tao shape them. (the natural way of things) It really is an effortless process and I am happy with the results so far.

Rarely reasonable.



Better than conservatives but still not my style.



Rephrase the question to include newborn infants as well. And you tell me.



Load of rubbish.



Don't know enough to answer. And too lazy to look it up.



Depends on who's saying it and why.