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Which is more important?
a. Believing in the Right Things. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
b. Behaving in the Right Way. 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
c. Both a and b are equally important. 31%  31%  [ 5 ]
d. Neither a nor b is important at all. 38%  38%  [ 6 ]
e. On Planet-X, we have ice cream. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
f. Other: ________________ (Please Explain Below). 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
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12 Mar 2013, 8:07 am

Which is more important:

Orthodoxia: Literally, "Right Belief". As long as you believe in the ideas endorsed by Those In Authority, anything you say or do is okay.

Orthopraxia: Literally, "Right Practice". As long as you do the things that are endorsed by Those In Authority, it doesn't matter what you believe.



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12 Mar 2013, 8:53 am

Seems to me the two are inseparable.



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12 Mar 2013, 9:14 am

Its pretty easy to separate them. As example you can take the speech of president bush, when starting the afghanistan war, when he talked about going to war to protect the christian tradition. So he was talking as if he really was interested in christian tradition, when in fact Jesus never would have gone to any war. Which means while Bush talked about appreciating christian traditions, what he was doing was raping and gangbanging Jesus really hard from behind.

Or typical kind of radical, fanatic and violent fanatic members of a religion that is about respect and forgiving. ^^ So to feel better, they tell themself to believe in the right thing, while when it comes to action to proof their believings they are not doing so.

So from my oppinion its more about the "right practice" because only by doing so, you proof what you are really believing in. Everything else is only a proof of someone being able to move his lips. But I generally disagree the part with the "endorsed by those in authority". So according to authorities it is ok to let children work as slaves for Nestle and other companies, to deliver us with cheap chocolate. So from my oppinion I dont care for the authorities and simply dont buy no none Fairtrade chocolate.



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12 Mar 2013, 9:46 am

Action and belief are two different things. Action is physical, and therefor evidential; while belief is mental, and therefor apocryphal.



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12 Mar 2013, 12:38 pm

'Right belief' is incomplete if it doesn't lead to the 'right' sort of 'behaviour'.

Right action may be manifested out of many different concerns and for many reasons. Right things can be done out of vanity, to create a favourable impression or to reap a selfish benefit. It is no doubt better than no action or a harmful action, but how completely 'good' it is remains a dubious question.



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12 Mar 2013, 2:32 pm

TheValk wrote:
'Right belief' is incomplete if it doesn't lead to the 'right' sort of 'behaviour'...

"As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead." -- James 2:26 (NIV)

In my opinion, they are equally important.



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12 Mar 2013, 3:07 pm

It's all about Ortholalia.


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12 Mar 2013, 3:56 pm

visagrunt wrote:
It's all about Ortholalia.

Rightspeak?

Don't you mean. "Orwell-lalia"?

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12 Mar 2013, 4:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
It's all about Ortholalia.

Rightspeak?

Don't you mean. "Orwell-lalia"?

:lol:


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12 Mar 2013, 6:47 pm

Orthodontia will probably be more important, if you have crooked teeth.



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12 Mar 2013, 7:00 pm

Orthosynousía is important too.



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12 Mar 2013, 7:09 pm

Equally important...........people should do the right things for the right reasons (because they have the right beliefs).



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12 Mar 2013, 7:47 pm

There is a parable of Jesus about two sons, Matthew: 21.28-33.

Holding a belief and not acting on it is effectively being a liar.



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13 Mar 2013, 1:35 am

Dox47ia: using those in power's own rules to hinder and undermine them.


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14 Mar 2013, 10:32 am

I also think the idea of repentance is essential. Religiously admitting you are a flawed human being, iniquitous. Deriving the inner strength to right yourself through your religion. Its a whole positive thinking thing.

In Christianity, Jesus is the example of someone who is perfect in action and spirit. Who is such a good and wise person he can accomplish anything. His disciples are the wicked, the tax collectors, the sinners. Relative to him we are all sinners, we can all endeavor to do better. At which point Patrick Stuart gives a speech.