China beats US in reading math and science!

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18 Mar 2013, 9:56 pm

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18 Mar 2013, 11:14 pm

Yep, we need more of the essentials like science and math an a helluva lot less of the silly shi+.


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19 Mar 2013, 4:09 am

Its Sputnic all over again.

By the way, the U.S. has always scored low in math and science test competitions. Our elementary schools and not all that good. Fortunately the number of top flight mathematicians and physicists is always small. How many theoretical breakthroughs have the Chinese done lately?

How do the Chinese score in original and creative thinking?

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19 Mar 2013, 6:34 am

Simple solution.

Send china all of our evangelical ministers.

In no time they will have the chinese people convinced that the Universe was created in one week in 4004 BC, and that there was no evolution. That will cause China to do a tail spin and go straight to the scientific dark ages, and we will have nothing to worry about!



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19 Mar 2013, 6:56 am

I dont understand, whats so bad about that some student read better then other student. If you think your students dont read good enough, then this is as it is, no matter how other countries do in that test. Why does it depend on other countries results, if you think that your students dont do well enough or not?



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19 Mar 2013, 9:29 am

So much for "No Child Left Behind." :lol:

China and other Asian countries have cultures that very much value education. The USA: not at all. As most of us who congregate here are painfully aware: someone who does well in an American school is looked down upon as a "nerd." In China, children strive to be "nerds."



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19 Mar 2013, 11:10 am

This year it was the Chinese. Last decade it was the Koreans. The decade before that was the Japanese or Taiwanese. All are still great at math and science, but their gain has never been another's loss, as I am worried this OP is implying.

To me, this is talk of a yellow plague. This theme that little yellow people will overpower the white man has been around since at least 1905, if not longer. I'm sick of it.



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19 Mar 2013, 11:30 am

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19 Mar 2013, 11:35 am

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19 Mar 2013, 12:24 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Simple solution.

Send china all of our evangelical ministers.

In no time they will have the chinese people convinced that the Universe was created in one week in 4004 BC, and that there was no evolution. That will cause China to do a tail spin and go straight to the scientific dark ages, and we will have nothing to worry about!


ROFLLOL @ That.

Even more amusing is that lots of Chinese students go to the US and to Europe for higher studies.


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19 Mar 2013, 1:17 pm

Ichinin wrote:
Even more amusing is that lots of Chinese students go to the US and to Europe for higher studies.


And even more amusing: our politicians complain about foreign students coming here for higher studies. :lol:



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19 Mar 2013, 1:41 pm

I've heard anecedotally that Asian languages are better structured to handle math than European ones, and that this is somewhat responsible for the stereotype of Asians being good at math. I want to say the example I was shown was that instead of saying "eighty", the Chinese language would say "eight tens", and you can see pretty easily how that would simplify math as it's one less conversion to make in your head. I've also heard that rice farming has created a cultural emphasis on precision, cooperation, and hard work, but again it's anecdotal. Damn fuzzy memory, I'm thinking this might have been something from Malcolm Gladwell or Jared Diamond, but I could have seen it elsewhere.


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19 Mar 2013, 3:14 pm

Dox47 wrote:
I've heard anecedotally that Asian languages are better structured to handle math than European ones, and that this is somewhat responsible for the stereotype of Asians being good at math. I want to say the example I was shown was that instead of saying "eighty", the Chinese language would say "eight tens", and you can see pretty easily how that would simplify math as it's one less conversion to make in your head. .


Other languages do that. Once you get beyond elementary arithmetic, there is no real advantage to mathematics.



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19 Mar 2013, 5:15 pm

Dox47 wrote:
I've heard anecedotally that Asian languages are better structured to handle math than European ones, and that this is somewhat responsible for the stereotype of Asians being good at math. I want to say the example I was shown was that instead of saying "eighty", the Chinese language would say "eight tens", and you can see pretty easily how that would simplify math as it's one less conversion to make in your head. I've also heard that rice farming has created a cultural emphasis on precision, cooperation, and hard work, but again it's anecdotal. Damn fuzzy memory, I'm thinking this might have been something from Malcolm Gladwell or Jared Diamond, but I could have seen it elsewhere.


Hmm... yes and no they have 3 different number systems, or more. The point it is it is challenging, which make it interesting.

Like we used to do a lot of strange base number systems, etc or currencies that were not only not decimal, the units varied. The point this this stretches the mind, and given that it was a necessity, they are learning skill for life. Because not everything is easy, in life, so if you make things easy as soon as a challenge come along they can't do it.



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19 Mar 2013, 5:20 pm

ruveyn wrote:
How do the Chinese score in original and creative thinking?


Look at their history and technology, which they developed way before most. They always had the capacity.

Ok there is a strong emphaiss on rote learning, but there are starting to realize that creative thinking, and critical thinking are also essential.

What's more they are studying at US and UK institutions, and even leading some of the research there.



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19 Mar 2013, 5:22 pm

Ichinin wrote:
Even more amusing is that lots of Chinese students go to the US and to Europe for higher studies.


These universities would run out of money without these foreign students.