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17 Nov 2012, 2:45 am

One of the many reasons I am an atheist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20374282

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17 Nov 2012, 2:50 am

Prud wrote:

One of the many reasons I am an atheist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20374282

Stop doing black and white. Atheism and religion is a product of human nature, not the other way around - atheism doesn't produces good and religion produces evil.

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17 Nov 2012, 6:27 am

Mikkel wrote:

Prud wrote:

One of the many reasons I am an atheist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20374282

Stop doing black and white. Atheism and religion is a product of human nature, not the other way around - atheism doesn't produces good and religion produces evil.

Atheism is a product of critical thinking, religion is the suspension of critical thinking.

I gave an example of why I am an atheist, because two tribes of so called gods children are killing each other again.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

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17 Nov 2012, 9:17 am

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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

The concept of good versus evil is religious. Even if not, a person is defined by what he or she does, so the argument that religion is necessary for good people to do evil things is entirely invalid.

Sorry to diverge from your actual point, but this quote is an insult to critical thinking.

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17 Nov 2012, 9:30 am

Prud wrote:

Atheism is a product of critical thinking, religion is the suspension of critical thinking.

Using the term "critical thinking" to defend a world view is a misunderstanding of the term.

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I gave an example of why I am an atheist, because two tribes of so called gods children are killing each other again.

People kill each other with or without religion, just like people help each other with or without religion. I don't think I would use that as a supporting argument for atheism.

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17 Nov 2012, 11:29 am

adb wrote:

Prud wrote:

Atheism is a product of critical thinking, religion is the suspension of critical thinking.

Using the term "critical thinking" to defend a world view is a misunderstanding of the term.

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As a generic term, "critical thinking" is the identification of the underlying assumptions of any philosophy, science, doctrine or creed. Once the underlying assumptions are identified and mode of drawing conclusions from them made plain they can be tested logically and empirically for validity and soundness. Would it not be grand if religions were as falsifiable as scientific theories and hypotheses?

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18 Nov 2012, 10:37 am

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Yes. It would also be grand if science was treated scientifically instead of religiously. His brand of atheism is opposing theism, not just rejecting it.

I respect science, but not always the "scientist". Likewise, I respect atheism, but not always the "atheist".

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18 Nov 2012, 2:30 pm

One reason why I worship the Horned God.

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18 Nov 2012, 2:58 pm

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And why is that an issue, I oppose pedophilia, murder, rape, theft, poverty, etc. To just reject them is to ignore the harm they do to others, I wholeheartedly oppose religion so cannot be accused of my acceptance of scientific facts as a religious ideology.

I respect evidence and I disrespect faith based falsehoods.

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19 Nov 2012, 9:17 am

Prud wrote:

Why do you oppose pedophilia?

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19 Nov 2012, 9:23 am

Prud wrote:

Atheism is a product of critical thinking, religion is the suspension of critical thinking.

Some atheism is the product of critical thinking.

There is atheism that is the product of other things. Like Stallin's atheism which was more of a "why don't people worship me instead?" thing.

Critical thinking is neither necessary nor sufficient to become an atheist.

Edit: Lack of critical thinking is necessary for religious belief though.

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19 Nov 2012, 1:33 pm

jekenai wrote:

Prud wrote:

And why is that an issue, I oppose pedophilia, murder, rape, theft, poverty, etc. To just reject them is to ignore the harm they do to others, I wholeheartedly oppose religion so cannot be accused of my acceptance of scientific facts as a religious ideology. I respect evidence and I disrespect faith based falsehoods.

Why do you oppose pedophilia?

Because pedophilia is harmful, and anybody who would show any sympathy for pedophiles may as well be pedophiles themselves.

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19 Nov 2012, 1:43 pm

Fnord wrote:

jekenai wrote:

Prud wrote:

Why do you oppose pedophilia?

Because pedophilia is harmful, and anybody who would show any sympathy for pedophiles may as well be pedophiles themselves.

Or numb-skulls.

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19 Nov 2012, 7:07 pm

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jekenai wrote:

Prud wrote:

Why do you oppose pedophilia?

Because pedophilia is harmful, and anybody who would show any sympathy for pedophiles may as well be pedophiles themselves.

What happens when the necrophiliacs come calling for their rights? That dont hurt anybody. Guess the bestiality inclined line up next. Course there would have to be some kinda test to see if the dumb animal was the right mind to consent and was enjoying it too. Some of this stuff is puzzling. The only real Atheists can be found in Insane Asylums. Agnosticism is as far into unbelief a person can fall. Those who claim to be Atheists are mad at God about something. Usually child abuse or the untimely death of a loved one.

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19 Nov 2012, 7:25 pm

bigwheel wrote:

Fnord wrote:

jekenai wrote:

Prud wrote:

Why do you oppose pedophilia?

Because pedophilia is harmful, and anybody who would show any sympathy for pedophiles may as well be pedophiles themselves.

What happens when the necrophiliacs come calling for their rights? That dont anybody. Guess the bestiality inclined line up next. Course there would have to be some kinda test to see if the dumb animal was the right mind to consent and was enjoying it too. Some of this stuff is puzzling. The only real Atheists can be found in Insane Asylums. Agnosticism is as far into unbelief a person can fall. Those who claim to be Atheists are mad at God about something. Usually child abuse or the untimely death of a loved one.

Or they're people who sit there, look at the sheer lack of evidence, and decide they won't follow a dickish god without proof of his existence...

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19 Nov 2012, 8:09 pm

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Those who claim to be Atheists are mad at God about something.

Perhaps they're just mad at organised religion. Not necessarily God per se.

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