Does existence have to exist?

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13 Apr 2013, 9:52 pm

I've always thought this is the case. Existence exists because it has too. It can't not exist.

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13 Apr 2013, 10:10 pm

But how do you know that existence exists?

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13 Apr 2013, 10:21 pm

What is the meaning of meaning?

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13 Apr 2013, 10:35 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

But how do you know that existence exists?

and what about the existence of existence existing... :cheers:

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13 Apr 2013, 10:47 pm

Meta-Existentialism ... what a concept!

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13 Apr 2013, 10:57 pm

If Non-existence exists, is it still non-existent? :wink:

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13 Apr 2013, 10:57 pm

by meta you mean

existence of existence existing.
existence of existence of existence existing.
existence of existence of existence of existence existing.

(existence of) to the power of infinity (existence of existence existing)

:bounce:

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13 Apr 2013, 11:40 pm

Existence neither doesn't not exist nor does non-exist, I believe.

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13 Apr 2013, 11:44 pm

How many existentialists does it take to change a light bulb?

Four:

One to change the bulb.

One to not change the bulb.

One to change and not change the bulb.

On to neither change nor not change the bulb.

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13 Apr 2013, 11:53 pm

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14 Apr 2013, 12:10 am

PuppyDog wrote:

I've always thought this is the case. Existence exists because it has too. It can't not exist.

Although..
we know from quantum analysis that the act of observation alters that which is observed.
Therefore your observation of existence existing could theoretically cause it to exist in a non-existential state :lol:

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14 Apr 2013, 1:19 am

Is it like a Yin Yang thing? Being and Non-Being came to be at the same time? You can't really have one without the other?

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14 Apr 2013, 1:36 am

What existed first, the object or the idea of the object? :lol:

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14 Apr 2013, 1:42 am

Fnord wrote:

Actually I'd say it takes 4.

One to ask whether the existence of the lighbulb precedes it's essense.

One to contemplate whether man is really free choose whether to change the light bulb or not change the light bulb.

One to contemplate if man is free to change the light bulb is he responsible to change it?

One to ask what is the meaning of changing the light bulb.

.....

oops, it still hasn't been changed.

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14 Apr 2013, 1:58 am

How many mathematicians does it take to change a light bulb?

Three.

One to prove that a light bulb in need of changing exists.

One to prove that given any light bulb in need of changing, there must exist a replacement bulb.

One to prove that such a replacement bulb is unique.

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