[UK] BNP telling members 'to breed' after election disaster

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Even the BNP is telling its own members to screw themselves after disastrous election results.

A reason for everyone on the political spectrum to celebrate. Except of course the BNP.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013 ... -elections

The BNP are a complete disaster area. They will lose their only MEP seat next year, with it either going to UKIP or Labour. (The BNP just pipped UKIP to the post last time.)

The BDP will also fade into complete obscurity within two years or less. Andrew Brons better enjoy his last year in the toytown Parliament, because he won't be reinstated for 2014-2019. Again, I expect his seat to go to Labour or UKIP.

Ethnic nationalism in Great Britain is doomed electorally.

There's hope for the Aryan supremacists yet - they've finally realised that evolution only cares about how many children you have

I see that "Northernscot" is clearly not a British nationalist, given that they only care about the number of white people. It wouldn't surprise me if they're in favour of the EU, or at least one consisting of northern Europe...

Nature counts only the children that themselves live to reproduce their kind. The children have to live long enough and they have to be fertile.


ruveyn

what we're seeing is the last desperate lunges of a dying beast.

This election they are telling their members to breed, the next they will have disbanded and fragmented into tiny and even less relevant or visible parties like the English Democrats or 'British Freedom Party'.

Of course what the BNP is ignoring here is that your children will not necessarilly adopt your politics. In fact, if your parents are stupid enough to be in the BNP then dialectics dictates they will more likely be the polar opposite. They could be hammering the last nail on their coffin by procreating the next round of Labour members.

As for the rise of UKIP I have mixed feelings. On bread and butter issues their Thatcherite economic and social strategy would be disastrous for ordinary people but on the other hand they have killed the extreme right by stealing their voters.

You're about three years out of date.

The British Freedom Party basically no longer exists - its most famous leader, Paul Weston, left the party months ago and produced his own faux-middle class groupuscule called Liberty GB. Tommy Robinson has long since left the project and has gone back to just being in the EDL.
The BNP has been imploding for about three years, more or less ever since they got that European Parliament seat.
The English Democrats have already taken in a lot of BNP.



Yup - ask the SED.



Most of those 'extreme right' for the BNP would have either voted Labour (or not voted at all).

Nick Griffin is the left's best friend. He's ruined the BNP with his incompetent management, his mishandling of party finances, his tyrannical approach to party management and his many numerous embarrassing public interviews. You might want to read some of the stories that ex-BNP can tell about the man and the way the party was/is run. Some of the escapades are quite funny, including some of their other embarrassments in Northern Ireland. (The loyalist paramilitaries really don't like the man.)

I can't think of a Tory area that has voted ever voted for the BNP in significant numbers. Its far-left economic ideology appeals mostly to the extreme old Labour left, in any case.

Have you not thought that perhaps a sizeable percentage of the people who are voting for them aren't necessarily voting for them because of their policies on the economy?

There is quite a bit of disagreement within the party about the economy. Old Labour types disagree with Thatcherite and libertarian ex-Tories, social conservatives disagree with classical liberals, and so on. But we're putting our arguments aside as, for the moment, we don't often consider them relevant.

A lot of people have the view of: let's get our sovereignty and democracy back, then we'll deal with the details (and the arguments about economic systems) later.

Is that why Sarah Palin kept saying "Drill Baby drill!"?

From what I've observed of elected UKIP Councillors the party is going to have a job hanging on to any power it has gained as they don't look too bright to me. I suspect it will be a re-run of what happened when BNP got councillors elected - they couldn't be bothered to turn up for council meetings half the time and when they did they had to deal with all the venom from the other parties.

I like Nigel Farrage but a lot of the people voting for him aren't very intelligent.

I will vote UKIP at the next election but I can't see them getting in as they are not mainstream enough yet.

They might claim not to be 'racialists' as one councillor put it but a lot of racists are going to be attracted to their policies.

The problem with the BNP is that their policies are racist.
UKIP's policies aren't.

I don't think this is the case with UKIP. The UKIP people I've seen appear very dedicated - some are ex-Tories, other will be ex-Labour. If there is any venom, it's usually limited to the anger of the main parties in having defected from whichever party to UKIP. "You're not UKIP, you're a bloody Tory/Labourite" etc.

That said, it is true that they have wanted people to stand as paper candidates who they can't know are properly suited to the job if they win. This is a problem with all small parties trying to expand rapidly. I was myself asked a few times; I said 'no'.



A slur.



Can you vote UKIP in the European elections next year? We're pipped to become the largest party in the European Parliament and have been for a year or two. I think that it's likely that we'll become the largest party. The Tories have pretty much resigned themselves to that anyway. In practical terms (apart from having the Tories, and to a lesser extent Labour, crapping themselves), actually becoming first is perhaps more symbolic than anything else. The European Parliament has little power on its own.

I think we will still seriously struggle in the sense of the House of Commons because of our electoral system. UKIP support is commonplace but spread out. The Greens have a seat because they have a lot less support overall nationally, but where it exists it's concentrated in certain areas. Like Brighton and Lancaster. RESPECT is the same (Galloway's rhetoric plays well with mostly Muslim constituents for obvious reasons).

We might end up with a seat in Eastleigh if we can keep up the momentum this time out, and the LDs continue on their downward spiral.

(We would have won Eastleigh last time if it was based on polling on the day.)



UKIP can't help that. It's the same way as any left-wing populist movement would attract a lot of nasties and violent thugs on the far-left. UKIP attracts some of those types from former far-right movements but it bans them from membership, and removes those that are found to have lied on the membership form.

The Councillors aren't even listed correctly on websites:-

http://www.ukip.org/page/west-midlands- ... rs?bypass=

Gordon Fanthom
Himley Parish Council

http://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/your_council/ ... sions.aspx

The parish council members for Swindon are listed below:-

including

Gordon Edward Fathom

http://www.sstaffs.gov.uk/your_council/ ... ister.aspx

He's not listed on the Himley Parish Council Register - why not?

So where is he councillor for exactly? Himley or Swindon? and why isn't he listed if Himley?

If I'd won councillor seats I'd want it registered and accurately on the relevant websites!

It doesn't bode well for accuracy and attention to detail imo and that's before we've even moved on to policy!

I'm tired of Western Europeans thinking only America has knuckle-dragging nutcase politics. I'll take my creationist bible thumpers over your white nationalists.

UKIP's website is substandard, and frankly it's always been that way. It isn't properly updated and looked after.

The Europeans (especially the French) are an ungrateful lot. We saved their arses three times and they resent us for doing so.

1. the U.S. saved France a Britain in the Great War.
2. the U.S was instrumental in defeating Fascism in the 2nd World War
3. the U.S. stared down the Soviets, something the Europeans could not do for themselves.

No good deed shall go unpunished.

ruveyn

Yes, so it doesn't bode well for policy if they can't even get the website accurate - that will be the only source of information about them for most people

I'm going to be keeping an eye on exactly what Gordon Fanthom does on the Himley or Swindon parish council. I've already read through the minutes of this year's Swindon Parish Council meetings

My current MP in Wolverhampton is the Conservative Paul Uppal - who is his equivalent in UKIP currently?

The Americans took their time about it in the 2nd World War. They knew all about how the Nazis were treating Jewish people but were mainly concerned about getting their money back off Germany. The American Ambassador to Germany was sending back regular reports re the dangerous direction things were going in and he was not being listened to.

The rise of fascism in Germany was staring America in the face for a long time before they could be bothered to act on it. They could have nipped it in the bud if they'd been prescient enough. They wanted their debt money back off Germany more than they wanted to stop Hitler though as the American economy was in such a poor state.

Then, when the war was over, the American process of 'Denazification' was a complete farce, with the majority of Nazis being allowed to get away with their war crimes unpunished, no doubt ably assisted by bribes