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23 Apr 2013, 1:29 pm

I was talking with my brother yesterday, who speaks pretty decent Mandarin, and Xi Jinping came up. The President of China (among other things), my brother described him as a "benevolent dictator." I was a bit stunned by this characterization. While Xi is currently the paramount leader of China (president, communist party secretary and commander in chief), he is not the only power by any means. He certainly cannot do whatever he want, and I have seen no evidence he is building a cult of personality. The Politburo constrains his power, and in many cases is more powerful than Xi. And while China is not a democracy, I truly believe that Beijing factors in public opinion when making decisions.

But then I did some research, and as it turns out, no one really knows how the Chinese government works. No one really knows how the Politburo makes decisions, or how members are selected. In fact, we only have a murky idea of each official's power relative to the other. Maybe Xi truly is all powerful. Maybe he is a figurehead. In any event, no one knows his personal political views.

So I wanted your take on this question: how is China governed? Is power really centralized in a paramount leader, or is it diffuse around Beijing.



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23 Apr 2013, 1:32 pm

Don't the Jews govern China? Just wait until they have a major catastrophe, then they'll be ruling China.

To be truthful, though, there are lots of fascinating books on the subject, but, if I'm honest, I rather suspect that the PRC is run by a committee of sorts.



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23 Apr 2013, 1:52 pm

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Don't the Jews govern China? Just wait until they have a major catastrophe, then they'll be ruling China.

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No. The Jews do not govern China. They can barely govern Israel.

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23 Apr 2013, 1:58 pm

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No. The Jews do not govern China. They can barely govern Israel.


But I thought that it was foretold in that famous book...

I'm taking the piss.

The Israelis seem to govern their country moderately well, when they're not being bombed by Nazi-loving psychos. But ruling the world? Well, I don't credit any people with that level of intelligence. Not even the Swiss.



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23 Apr 2013, 2:00 pm

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Don't the Jews govern China? Just wait until they have a major catastrophe, then they'll be ruling China.

To be truthful, though, there are lots of fascinating books on the subject, but, if I'm honest, I rather suspect that the PRC is run by a committee of sorts.


Oohhhh! There are books? Names, please! I love reading about this kind of stuff.



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23 Apr 2013, 2:01 pm

I remember reading about a HK bookstore that all this kind of stuff.

Can you read Chinese?



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23 Apr 2013, 2:02 pm

I'm inclined to believe that the wealthy business elite control China as they appear to do in most places.



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23 Apr 2013, 2:08 pm

Tequila wrote:
I remember reading about a HK bookstore that all this kind of stuff.

Can you read Chinese?

No, but that's okay. There has to be tons of English language scholars. I remember hearing about a Brookings Institute scholar that only follows the Chinese government. There must be others at universities and other think tanks.



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23 Apr 2013, 2:33 pm

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Who Really Governs China?

The Gnomes of Zurich.



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23 Apr 2013, 2:42 pm

There is one, and only one power broker in China: The People's Liberation Army.

Not only does it have the force of arms with which to impose its will, it was also the single largest player in Chinese industry until about the year 2000. In theory, the government extricated the PLA from direct participation in industry and non-military commercial ventures, but in reality, the effective control of real estate and industrial intersts of the PLA did not change hands.

What is the post that determines that Xi Jinping is the leader of the PRC? It is neither his position at the summit of the Party, nor of the State, but rather his Chairmanship of the Central Military Commission.


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23 Apr 2013, 2:59 pm

Deng Xiaoping, one must remember, during his time in power, held only the title of head of the Central Military Commission. I do think that is the most important one. When the move between Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao took place, Jiang stayed at that post for one more year after having given up the leadership of the party and the Chinese presidency to his successor. There was surprise that Hu didn not remain as head of the Central Military Commission for another year as Jiang did in order to assure the orderly transition.



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23 Apr 2013, 3:21 pm

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Deng Xiaoping, one must remember, during his time in power, held only the title of head of the Central Military Commission. I do think that is the most important one. When the move between Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao took place, Jiang stayed at that post for one more year after having given up the leadership of the party and the Chinese presidency to his successor. There was surprise that Hu didn not remain as head of the Central Military Commission for another year as Jiang did in order to assure the orderly transition.

One thing that mystifies me is how orderly the transition of power has been. After Deng came to power, Chinese leadership turnover has been extremely regular. We do not know how these transitions get decided behind closed doors, but everyone abides by them once the decisions are made. I am especially surprised that no politician really has a cult of personality, and those that try to develop one (such as Bo Xilai) are frowned upon. That suggests to me there are multiple competing interests, and no one is strong enough to rule as an absolute dictator.



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23 Apr 2013, 3:25 pm

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The Israelis seem to govern their country moderately well, when they're not being bombed by Nazi-loving psychos. But ruling the world? Well, I don't credit any people with that level of intelligence. Not even the Swiss.


Getting Jews to act together in a co-ordinated fashion is akin to herding squirrels.

Wherever three Jews meet, four opinions emerge.

Then there is the story of two Jewish millionaires who built three synagogues. One that each attended and a third neither would set foot in.

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24 Apr 2013, 9:14 am

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There is one, and only one power broker in China: The People's Liberation Army.

Not only does it have the force of arms with which to impose its will, it was also the single largest player in Chinese industry until about the year 2000. In theory, the government extricated the PLA from direct participation in industry and non-military commercial ventures, but in reality, the effective control of real estate and industrial intersts of the PLA did not change hands.

What is the post that determines that Xi Jinping is the leader of the PRC? It is neither his position at the summit of the Party, nor of the State, but rather his Chairmanship of the Central Military Commission.

I find this surprising. I do not doubt your assessment, and indeed, control of the military in any country giives you a great deal of power. Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe that the PLA is the only powerbroker, if only because there are so many economic interests that the PLA does not control. I also have not heard anyone say that the PLA is interested in governing. We know many militaries are interested in governing, but there have been many military coups that ended with a swift transition to civilian rule because the military was not interested in governing.



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24 Apr 2013, 12:40 pm

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xenon13 wrote:
Deng Xiaoping, one must remember, during his time in power, held only the title of head of the Central Military Commission. I do think that is the most important one. When the move between Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao took place, Jiang stayed at that post for one more year after having given up the leadership of the party and the Chinese presidency to his successor. There was surprise that Hu didn not remain as head of the Central Military Commission for another year as Jiang did in order to assure the orderly transition.

One thing that mystifies me is how orderly the transition of power has been. After Deng came to power, Chinese leadership turnover has been extremely regular. We do not know how these transitions get decided behind closed doors, but everyone abides by them once the decisions are made. I am especially surprised that no politician really has a cult of personality, and those that try to develop one (such as Bo Xilai) are frowned upon. That suggests to me there are multiple competing interests, and no one is strong enough to rule as an absolute dictator.


Many of Jiang's Shanghai crew remained in power after Jiang left office... there's definitely a collective leadership of competing interests. There were lots of people in power at different times during a time when Deng was seen as in command, either with the title of head of the military commission or even later, when he was dubbed the 'red emperor' without a title. He has been seen as having taken power when Hua Guofeng still was nominally in charge (December 1978) and Hua remained Chairman (that title still existed and he was Mao's successor) and head of the central military commission until being succeeded by Deng in 1981 at that post.



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24 Apr 2013, 1:28 pm

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I'm inclined to believe that the wealthy business elite control China as they appear to do in most places.


China, Japan and Korea

Rothschild’s long-standing presence in China dates back to 1838, and we were one of the first business institutions from the Western world to re-establish relations after 1953.

Our offices in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong give us direct access to the Chinese market. Our locally based team of advisory bankers commands an in-depth knowledge of the country’s economic development and the challenges facing its industries.

Through many years advising China’s multinationals, state-owned and private enterprises, we have developed an exceptional understanding of the local regulatory and market environment. Our team is skilled at bridging the cultural gaps that sometimes exist between the managements of foreign and local companies.

Senior bankers lead every assignment from start to finish, ensuring that all clients benefit from Rothschild’s intellectual capital and global network of contacts and industry sector expertise.

In the wider north Asia region, we advise on cross-border transactions concerning Korean companies through our strategic partnership with Samsung Securities, and on those concerning Japanese companies through our strategic partnership with Global Advisory Japan.

Our notable assignments include advising the acquisition by Geely Auto of Volvo, the merger of China Netcom and China Unicom, the sale of Lehman Brothers’ Asian assets to Nomura, and Rusal’s IPO on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.
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Beijing -The Chinese elite is a merger between the Communist leadership, Hong Kong tycoons, and the criminal Triads. All three factions derive derive their power from Rothschilds collaboration.

China has appeared autonomous because the Rothschilds developed the country internally, funding 'revolutionary' political parties spouting nationalist slogans. The reasoning was that the Chinese people would revolt against overt foreign domination, but embrace their place in the NWO if they believed they were in control.

Lord Bertrand Russell revealed this plan in a report on China published in 1920:

'Out of the renaissance spirit now existing in China, it is possible, if foreign nations can be prevented from wreaking havoc, to develop a new civilization better than any that the world has yet known.'

The fascist superpower we know today was created in the second half of the 20th century by the bogus Cold War dialectic of communism vs. capitalism.

The stage was set in 1898 when Britain and China signed a contract stipulating that Hong Kong would be handed back to the Chinese in 1997. This meant that the fierce Communism of the mainland and laissez faire capitalism of Hong Kong were always destined to merge.

The process of unification gave rise to the current China power elite. What follows is background of the three main factions.

THE COMMUNIST LEADERSHIP


Because Communism is a Rothschilds creation, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) are by definition, Rothschilds agents.

Mao was a Soviet agent. (Mao-The Untold Story, Chang & Halliday, p.49.)
He was a product of the Yale in China "Missionary" i.e. OSS, Skull & Bones program.

The CCP implemented policies that set the foundations for a super state. They unified the country, attacked traditional Chinese culture, instigated industrialization programs and created a common language.

Wang Hao, a historian at the China Institute of International Studies, has recorded that Mao's deputy Zhou Enlai met David Rockefeller in June 1973:

'When meeting David Rockefeller, Zhou said to him that it was necessary to find appropriate methods conducive to the development of the trade between two sides under different political systems.'

The corporate-communist merger began when Deng Xiaoping came to power in the late 1970s and introduced his market reforms with the slogan "to get rich is glorious."

However, after 30 years of Maoism his regime was hopelessly ill equipped to run a market economy. They turned to the wealthiest Chinese tycoons in Hong Kong for guidance.

THE HONG KONG TYCOONS

The most powerful HK tycoon is Li Ka-Shing, the richest Asian in the world and an Rothschilds insider.

Other prominent tycoons are 'HK's godfather of real estate' Henry Fok, 'The king of gambling' Stanley Ho and the man who would be chosen by Beijing to head Hong Kong after the departure of the British, Tung Chee-Wa.

It is important to realize that these men rose to power and prestige in a British colony, i.e. they were vetted by the City of London to be colonial leaders. This is illustrated by the rise of Li Ka Shing.

As HK developed, Li emerged as the most brilliant Chinese entrepreneur. The 'Brotherhood bankers' of Hong Kong became aware of his mercantile genius and brought him into the fold.

In 1979 Li took control of Hutchinson Whampoa, one of the old British companies that had long dominated Hong Kong's economy. Companies of such political importance are not given away casually. In 2000, the Queen awarded Li the title of 'Knight (Commander of the Order) of the British Empire.'

In the early eighties, the tycoons and the communists had a series of meetings in Beijing. They struck a deal whereby the tycoons advised and educated the Chinese authorities about markets and in return Beijing gave them privileged access to their vast economic basin. In 1984 the two groups founded CITIC, the organization that managed China's transition to market economy.

THE TRIADS

The Triads is a collective term for the secret societies and criminal groups that originated in 18th century China with the aim to bring down the Qing dynasty.

For over a century the Rothschilds waged war against the Qing dynasty. The Triads were their vehicle for subversion and revolution, in a similar fashion to Freemasonry in Western revolutions.

For instance, during the opium wars, the Triads helped bring the drug into China. The revolutionary Nationalist Government that toppled the Qing dynasty in 1912 was a coalition of triad groups. Sun Yat-sen, the man who led the nationalist coalition that toppled the Qing in 1912, was a Triad member and was trained and armed in British Hong Kong. Chiang Kai-shek was also a Triad member.

When the Communists achieved dominance in 1949 they kicked the Triads out of the country. They fled mainly to Hong Kong and Taiwan to re-build. Chiang Kai-shek continued to publicly receive US funding.

Today the Triads are best known as the world's largest criminal entity, involved in drug trafficking, prostitution, money laundering etc. They exist in any country with a large Chinese population, notably in Canada, Britain, USA and Australia.

Former Canadian diplomat Brian McAdam said: "Within each Chinese community, there's usually a strong Triad presence controlling and extorting money from the businesses, and if there's drugs, they're bringing them in."

Of the Triads enormous global reach Fritz Springmeier has written:

'The Triads are the most powerful criminal fraternal group in the world, except for the Rothschilds and the families that make up the Rothschildss Committee of 300. The Mafia Is small peanuts compared to the Triads. The Triads are almost untouchable by any law enforcement group. For instance, in Great Britain the British do not have hardly any ethnic Chinese on their police force to even try infiltrating the Triads.'

A key source of this power is that they partner the Far East Lodges of Freemasonry in running the Asian drugs trade, notably the production of heroin in the 'golden triangle' in South East Asia, second only to Afghanistan. Drug trafficking is very important to the Rothschilds because it funds black budget programs.

The most powerful Triads in Hong Kong have their own territories, headquarters, sub-societies and public fronts. They are allied with the tycoons. The tycoon's own Hong Kong and the triads run it. A few of these are Sun Yee On, Wo Hop To and 14K. To insure a smooth handover of Hong Kong in 1997, the communist leadership needed these groups onside.

In the early 80s, the Chinese government convened a secret meeting between the 'Dragon Heads' of the major Triad groups operational in Hong Kong. The communists informed the dragons that if they agreed not to interfere with the takeover transition, they would be allowed to continue their criminal activities without interference.

Following these successful negotiations, Deng Xiaoping spoke of the triads as Chinese "patriotic groups" and the Hong Kong press published a photograph of Charles Heung, a senior officer of Sun Yee On, conversing with Deng's daughter.

In 1992, Western Intelligence Services became aware Wong Man Fong - formerly head of China's central news agency - was helping the triads to set up legitimate businesses in China, particularly in Guangzhou and Shanghai.

CONCLUSION

The mainstream media portrays China as hostile to Western power. However, by studying the triumvirate Chinese elite and their intimate ties to the Rothschilds, it is clear that modern China is an Rothschilds creation.

The Chinese elite must never stray from the NWO agenda, for it follows that if the Rothschilds made them, they can break them too.

Edited by poorrichard for the purpose of greater readership. I changed the word Rothschild for the word Illuminati.

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When Jennifer Yu, Rothschild’s top executive in China, wanted the firm to advise Chinese carmaker Zhejiang Geely on its bid for Volvo, some colleagues at the bank’s headquarters in Europe were skeptical. A senior banker asked her how a “mouse” like Geely could swallow an “elephant” like Volvo. “There’s a dragon behind this mouse, and it’s China,” Yu recalls answering. She and the team handling Geely won the argument, and Geely won the bidding. It completed the takeover of Volvo from Ford Motor (F) for more than $1.3 billion on Aug. 2.

Rothschild, the more-than-200-year-old family-controlled banking dynasty, is making a big move in China, and Yu is leading the charge. It plans to add 15 merger advisers there by March, giving it 55 in all, more than any foreign investment bank, says Olivier Pecoux, co-chief executive officer of Rothschild.

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Just beause Rothschild claims to be Jewish, no need to tar all Jews with the same brush please.
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9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.