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16 Jun 2013, 11:00 pm

Let's keep the list going..I'd also like to include a "why" section

1. Your theory requires a conspiracy to wait 30 years to carry out it's evil plot.....

- Because who on earth waits 30 years to carry out a plot? Successful executives are lucky if they get a decade at the helm, let alone keeping the evil plot(tm) secret for 30 years.

2. Your theory requires every single country in the world with a physics teacher to be in on the plot....

- I've met a few phyiscs teachers over the years...I can't imagine most of them keeping quiet on what they won at a slot machine, let alone keep a worldwide secret for decades.

3. Your theory requires a massive cover-up, but they somehow missed YouTube videos....

- I would have to assume that individuals capable of signing employement forms for (Your choice of FBI/KGB/CIA/Mossad/IRS/MI6/NSA/FSB/Ordo Malleus/etc.) can perform a "google" search and find YouTube videos.


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16 Jun 2013, 11:10 pm

4. The applications of Occam's Razor shaves away most conspiracy theories.



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16 Jun 2013, 11:27 pm

5. Your source for "evidence" of your theory is inexplicably unidentifiable

* Except through the voluminous rantings of vitriolic tabloid media "journalists" who are more concerned with being believed that with actually telling the truth.

* Media types - especially tabloid media types - are greatly concerned with the size of their audiences, and will say almost anything to maintain or increase their "ratings".

* Cheaply-made audio and video recordings of poor quality and questionable veracity are their stock-in-trade.

6. Your theory requires a unique force or influence that works only to support your theory, and no other.

* A special gravity-defying force, for which there is no known mathematical description or practical demonstration, is required to explain one isolated "experiment" that that was never adequately documented, and that has come to be known only through anecdotal accounts of execrable provenance.

7. Your theory is based on ideas that were thoroughly debunked a long time before you were born.

* Immanuel Velikovsky ... need I say more?

8. Your idea requires suspension of belief in established physical principles that have been exploited by industry for a century or more.

* You mean to say that Newton's Principles of Gravity - which have been repeatedly validated for over 325 years, and are the fundamental principles behind communication and navigation satellites, as well as interplanetary probes - are completely bogus and have no basis in reality? Maybe the reality inside your head, but certainly not the one the rest of us live in!

9. Your theory requires belief in a global conspiracy that is focused solely on suppression your particular theory, and no one else's.

* Face it - there is nothing special about you or your theory that would require a global conspiracy to suppress it. If there were, you would have disappeared (along with your theory) soon after the first time you ever uttered your theory in public.

* What would make your theory special (and you in the process) would be an actual, live demonstration of its principles in front of a skeptical and scientific audience.

10. Your theory requires a lot of excuses to explain why either (a) no one has ever thought of it before, or (b) why no one who has thought of it before has never made any money off of it.

* Tesla was brilliant, but he lacked any sense regarding the value of money and intellectual property - "Science-Smart and Money-Foolish".



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17 Jun 2013, 1:15 am

What if your whole plan RELIES on waiting 30 years to carry out the plot?

Who would suspect that?

What if we are talking about a group that has a history and bloodline that dates back 10s of thousands of years?

Then what would 30 years be in the big scheme of things?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-EFoKJM5co

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG2ZmG7bAAQ

Do you know that the Freemasons come from Egypt?

Ed Leedskalnin was a stone mason... his buildings were constructed of stones the exact same size as the ones used in the pyramid and Ed just happened to have a book with his own theory of how gravity worked...



JFK assassination
mind controlled gunman... inexplicable weapon kills Kennedy... Freemason site.. traumatized nation

what's that a pyramid in the background?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... a_2003.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... otated.png

Twin Towers - 9-11
mind controlled terrorists... inexplicable weapon used... Freemason site... traumatized nation..

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ob2lSL8uwkI/S ... ture-1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_h9jM93aGqfs/S ... indows.jpg


Do you know that in the occult the trident means law enforcement...? Signs there is an occult group connected all over the world...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_VsLF2fGpU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_oiEZGK8q4



Did you know that the Denver airport featured an aicraft designed by William Lear?

Do you know who William Lear is? He founded Lear Jet and aircraft autopilot systems. He was also heavily promoting antigravity tech in the 50s before it went secret...

William Lear also has a son named John Lear who is best buddies with a guy name Bob Lazar who happens to appear to be a disinfo agent trying to make people think aliens are responsible for the craft we see not military government projects based on work by people who developed antigravity in the 40s.


Hundreds of years is nothing to these people... they have been doing this stuff for ages.. playing these games of world manipulation... timeless traditions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-yuYw ... =endscreen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTd2Ex60XiQ

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=11178



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NOs2nmwig



remember how i said that people can be tricked into going along with the conspiracy because they believe it is good for humanity?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ



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17 Jun 2013, 4:20 am

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1. Your theory requires a conspiracy to wait 30 years to carry out it's evil plot.....

- Because who on earth waits 30 years to carry out a plot? Successful executives are lucky if they get a decade at the helm, let alone keeping the evil plot(tm) secret for 30 years.


Do you really think the US government doesn't work on an immense scale? Come on.. they have to if they want to maintain their role as a world super power.. let alone THE world super power.

I do think they want to foster that image that they don't think in those terms though.. that they are inept. When you watch that video PAX Americana I posted above I think you see the real truth...

Carol Rosin verifies this with what she was told buy Werner Von Braun as well..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM

This is also why it is silly to think some terrorists with box cutters could bring the most powerful military in the world to it's knees... as if they wouldn't prepare for those types of attacks. That appearance that they didn't is a facade...

It's as silly as thinking that the government wouldn't explore gravity like they did nukes...


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2. Your theory requires every single country in the world with a physics teacher to be in on the plot....

- I've met a few physics teachers over the years...I can't imagine most of them keeping quiet on what they won at a slot machine, let alone keep a worldwide secret for decades.


The big mistake here is that I think you completely ignore how difficult it is to make these kinds of discoveries. Especially with something as complex as gravity. In Nick cook's book the aviation companies said it would need a Manhattan project like effort to crack gravity and really understand it. But they didn't discover antigravity using theory.. they discovered it because TTBrown and Schauberger made practical devices that used the effect.

So why haven't people replicated this over the years? How can anyone gain the momentum for a project this big when the people in control are pushing the other way. PLUS... the subject has been demonized. This is what Nick Cook said in his book.. at that time he wrote his book - mid 2000a - it was taboo to even talk about antigravity because the subject had such a negative ridiculous connotation. How do you think that might have happened? Antigravity became completely tied up with flying saucers and aliens. This was not an accident. It was a huge effort. An effort for national security - more like financial security.

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3. Your theory requires a massive cover-up, but they somehow missed YouTube videos....

- I would have to assume that individuals capable of signing employement forms for (Your choice of FBI/KGB/CIA/Mossad/IRS/MI6/NSA/FSB/Ordo Malleus/etc.) can perform a "google" search and find YouTube videos.


How do you cover up Youtube videos? How do you cover up someone's documented work like TTBrown and Tesla.

Tesla was completely ignored for decades... why is someone who should have been known by every kid in school completely ignored and made a joke of.. just like TTBrown?

If the people in power started deleting all the Youtube videos related to these subjects it would be a bigger red flag. So what they do is flood the entire subject with nonsense... why do you think Bob Lazar came on the scene later the same year Pons and Felischmann discovered cold fusion? Why do you think MIT covered up positive results of their cold fusion tests and P&F were called frauds and yet people have recreated their experiments since showing the validity.

Why do you think there are endless free energy scams pushed everywhere preventing people from taking this kind of work seriously.. that's how you deal with Youtube videos. You cna discredit theories just like you can discredit people.

You can create an environment so full of skepticism and mockery that people don't dare risk their science careers pursuing such ideas.

Henrik Svnesmark who went against the status quo of climate research that said CO2 was causing climate change had a heart attack on live TV in a debate with these groups...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoKUBRUq_KU

Why do you think that might be? Why do you think the UN would completely ignore his research when it has such strong data supporting it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ

Now do you see why a physics teacher might keep quiet about his "conspiracy theories"


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17 Jun 2013, 5:42 am

So...

The government is both covering up UFO's AND spreading the myth that UFO's are real as a cover story - and has been doing both things at the same time since 1947! Trying to convince us that UFO's are fiction,AND trying to convince us that they are real, at the same time.


I wish you tin hats would get your story straight.



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17 Jun 2013, 5:52 am

The government can also trigger massive earthquakes but at the same time is unable to send men to the moon.



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17 Jun 2013, 6:01 am

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So...

The government is both covering up UFO's AND spreading the myth that UFO's are real as a cover story - and has been doing both things at the same time since 1947! Trying to convince us that UFO's are fiction,AND trying to convince us that they are real, at the same time.


I wish you tin hats would get your story straight.


It's called disinformation.. you literally mix truth with lies.

It's incredibly effective because people are more fascinated by aliens than science... the entire movement has been hijacked.

I have found no legit evidence of aliens that leads to anything provable.. but it's the complete opposite with antigrav technology. But the country has been dumbed down so much in regard to science and math there is no one that you can take this info to. The people in the scientific community are too intimidated to even bring these subjects up because they know they will lose their jobs or worse.

Keep in mind.. does the disinfo they spread about alien flying saucer HELP people take antigravity seriously? No.. it is the complete opposite. Just like when Bob Lazar went public.

They also make the subject overly complex. It turns out antigravity technology is relatively very simple... so how do you prevent people from discovering how simple it is? You flood people with disinfo leading the wrong directions....

In another thread I explain how the government actually has agents- remote viewers - spreading info about aliens.. why would they be doing this or letting it happen if they didn't want it to happen. Why would they let this whole remote viewing subject out in the open if it was real...



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17 Jun 2013, 6:04 am

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The government can also trigger massive earthquakes but at the same time is unable to send men to the moon.


Oh you mean because people say they faked the moon landings?

If they did fake the moon landings it was because the technology that was public at the time wasn't capable of getting the job done and they didn't want to reveal the real tech.

And they won't go back because they don't want us to see what they are doing and have been doing there the whole time.

There is more info related to this but I haven't gotten into that aspect yet. It's something I am concerned will be used by others and prevent me from getting this info out. It's actually the most incredible aspect of the story and it shows how much of this has been going on and why.



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17 Jun 2013, 7:17 am

CAL_1138 wrote:

Tesla was completely ignored for decades... why is someone who should have been known by every kid in school completely ignored and made a joke of..


Every Dutch schoolkid knows about Tesla, and he's not ignored or ridiculed here. As you can see in this video, the kids are rather impressed. I was about the same age as the kids in the video when our class visited the museum in 1969. We were taught about Tesla and everyone else who made important contributions to elecrticity.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erMuiwOV8xQ[/youtube]



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17 Jun 2013, 7:35 am

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Every Dutch schoolkid knows about Tesla, and he's not ignored or ridiculed here. As you can see in this video, the kids are rather impressed. I was about the same age as the kids in the video when our class visited the museum in 1969. We were taught about Tesla and everyone else who made important contributions to electricity.


That certainly wasn't the case in the US. Why would the richest country in the world be one of the worst at teaching it's kids math and science?

Tesla was painted as a whacko in this country.. as was TTBrown. When nothing could be further from the truth.

And sure you can find exceptions to every rule... but the point is that Tesla had nowhere near the attention he deserved... it supports that there was a cover up and that science was being intentionally neglected and suppressed.

Why do you think they might do that? Because they were preparing us for these events that are being staged now and preparing us to be incapable of understanding them.

And the people who are in the scientific community don't dare question the authorities. They were groomed for that as well.



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17 Jun 2013, 7:54 am

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Every Dutch schoolkid knows about Tesla, and he's not ignored or ridiculed here. As you can see in this video, the kids are rather impressed. I was about the same age as the kids in the video when our class visited the museum in 1969. We were taught about Tesla and everyone else who made important contributions to electricity.


That certainly wasn't the case in the US. Why would the richest country in the world be one of the worst at teaching it's kids math and science?


In part its due to the religious wack-jobs there with political power who don't like kids learning about evolution when they prefer to push the myth of creationism.


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17 Jun 2013, 8:09 am

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In part its due to the religious wack-jobs there with political power who don't like kids learning about evolution when they prefer to push the myth of creationism.


But those people only continue to survive because we have neglected teaching our kids math and science so long.

I see that as an effect not the cause.

I like the outside the box thinking though!



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17 Jun 2013, 8:17 am

CAL_1138 wrote:
NewDawn wrote:
Every Dutch schoolkid knows about Tesla, and he's not ignored or ridiculed here. As you can see in this video, the kids are rather impressed. I was about the same age as the kids in the video when our class visited the museum in 1969. We were taught about Tesla and everyone else who made important contributions to electricity.


That certainly wasn't the case in the US. Why would the richest country in the world be one of the worst at teaching it's kids math and science?

Tesla was painted as a whacko in this country.. as was TTBrown. When nothing could be further from the truth.

And sure you can find exceptions to every rule... but the point is that Tesla had nowhere near the attention he deserved... it supports that there was a cover up and that science was being intentionally neglected and suppressed.

Why do you think they might do that? Because they were preparing us for these events that are being staged now and preparing us to be incapable of understanding them.

And the people who are in the scientific community don't dare question the authorities. They were groomed for that as well.


In the US, the Story of Electricity narrative taught to children focuses on Edison. (I remember this well. There were fun museum field trips.) This does not support a conspiracy to discredit Tesla or suppress his work. Instead it supports the very concrete and linear way that science is taught to American children. Edison is a classic American success story with iconic inventions that children are familiar with such as the light bulb and movie camera. I learned that there is a whole lot more to the story when I was in college. I do not see this as evidence of conspiracy and suppression but rather of a desire of American educators to keep the story neat and linear. Bringing in Tesla just muddies the narrative.

I don't find it that odd that European children would learn about Tesla but American children would only learn about Edison. He was, after all, European (I learned later he moved to the US and worked for Edison) while Edison was American. He also didn't have the neat, linear business success trajectory that Edison had but had a more tragic story (which I have heard blamed on Edison, to some extent). So there may be some deliberate preference of Americans for that classic, linear American success story as opposed to Tesla's more complicated and sadder (to Americans) story. But that would be a cultural difference, not a conspiracy to suppress knowledge.



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17 Jun 2013, 8:17 am

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Let's keep the list going..I'd also like to include a "why" section

1. Your theory requires a conspiracy to wait 30 years to carry out it's evil plot.....

- Because who on earth waits 30 years to carry out a plot? Successful executives are lucky if they get a decade at the helm, let alone keeping the evil plot(tm) secret for 30 years.

2. Your theory requires every single country in the world with a physics teacher to be in on the plot....

- I've met a few phyiscs teachers over the years...I can't imagine most of them keeping quiet on what they won at a slot machine, let alone keep a worldwide secret for decades.

3. Your theory requires a massive cover-up, but they somehow missed YouTube videos....

- I would have to assume that individuals capable of signing employement forms for (Your choice of FBI/KGB/CIA/Mossad/IRS/MI6/NSA/FSB/Ordo Malleus/etc.) can perform a "google" search and find YouTube videos.
what specific theory are we talking about


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17 Jun 2013, 8:33 am

Janissy wrote:
So there may be some deliberate preference of Americans for that classic, linear American success story as opposed to Tesla's more complicated and sadder (to Americans) story. But that would be a cultural difference, not a conspiracy to suppress knowledge.


If all the other things I have discovered didn't exist I would agree with you.. but that isn't the case.