From Egypt: It Wasn't Saddam But His Double Who Was Executed

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04 Feb 2007, 2:07 pm

I don't buy it, but this theory has been mentioned on this board, so I thought I would pass it along. This is being reported from the useful Middle East Research Institute on a book that is being reported about in Egypt's (notoriously anti-semitic) state controlled press, although the columnist himself rejects the claims:

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A new conspiracy theory has gained currency in Egypt in recent weeks, according to which it was not Saddam Hussein, but rather his double who was executed. Also, it was not his two sons 'Uday and Qusay who were killed during the war, but their doubles.


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04 Feb 2007, 4:51 pm

hmmm, haven't read the article yet, but the idea in general i don't see as being so far fetched. it was widely reported in the western media years ago that he did have many doubles.


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04 Feb 2007, 5:43 pm

He had many doubles, yes. But here is a basic question that I think has to be answered: The Iraqi government (in a decision I feel to be foolish) turned Saddam's body over to members of his tribe who buried him. Logically, these members would have been able to look at his body fairly closely to see if it was in fact a double.

Furthermore, (again) why did the Iraqis not want to kill Saddam? Why would they want to secretly keep him alive. Nobody is talking about Saddam anymore. The point out the execution was apparently successful. Saddam will not be restored. If he is not dead where is he? Why has nobody talked? If his sons are alive (they have been dead for some time) why have no rumors spread? It seems to be pretty accepted in Iraq that they are dead.

Would Iraqi's majority Shi'a government be secretly holding Sunni Saddam in some kind of ploy to return him to power? Would they risk him being returned to power later so he could enact revenge? Of course not. That would be completely illogical.

The United States apparently pressured the Iraqis not to carry out the execution. But this was on accounts of starting sectarian retaliation (which did occur). But let's say, in theory, it was a double and the U.S. (under evil Bush's orders) holding Saddam. Are they planning to return him to power? Why haven't they just done so already? What are they waiting for? Wouldn't it be more efficient to simply place a brutal tyrant like the late Saddam in power to have as your puppet then attempt to start a new democratic order?

How do you think the new Democratic-held congress will view it when news gets out that Saddam is not alive? Do you think they might view that negatively? Do you think they might view it negatively if Bush tries to place Saddam back in charge? Or will Bush not care and just do what he wants?

And if that is the case then what is the point and all these charades? Why doesn't the "right-wing" (if it is that powerful) then just dissolve congress and just take over Iraq, and any other countries they don't like?

Or is it that the real Saddam is still out there, never caught the Americans?



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04 Feb 2007, 7:52 pm

I was thinking about this when they hung him. Logic states that Bush would want Saddam dead, since Saddam tried to assassinate his father (Bush Sr). Of coarse, who'se to even say the assassination attempt wasn't staged to pull the wool over peoples' eyes and keep the people in the dark? This is one of those situations that I may never know.



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05 Feb 2007, 4:23 am

jim, hypothetically i would suggest that were saddam still alive, he would have fled iraq and be living in hiding somewhere anonymously.


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05 Feb 2007, 12:29 pm

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He had many doubles, yes. But here is a basic question that I think has to be answered: The Iraqi government (in a decision I feel to be foolish) turned Saddam's body over to members of his tribe who buried him. Logically, these members would have been able to look at his body fairly closely to see if it was in fact a double.


You think HIS tribe would say "oh wait, this isn't him?" God no, they'd be happy he was still alive.

Lets put it this way - we'll never know, I just dont buy anything that has come from Iraq's or America's mouth in regards to this situation



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05 Feb 2007, 3:00 pm

Horsecrap.


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05 Feb 2007, 3:46 pm

They have his DNA so they could test for that jack.



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05 Feb 2007, 5:01 pm

that's true machine, but put it this way, if they did test it and found out it wasn't him, do you really think they'd report it? i tend to doubt that they would. corvus is correct. it is likely we will never know.


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05 Feb 2007, 8:33 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
They have his DNA so they could test for that jack.


But how would you know if they were telling the truth?



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06 Feb 2007, 9:44 am

CORRECTION: I put a quote accredited to snake321. It was not.

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You think HIS tribe would say "oh wait, this isn't him?" God no, they'd be happy he was still alive.


The propaganda value in the fact that Saddam was still alive would be absolutely massive. It would expose the Americans and the Iraqi governments as mind bogglingly foolish.

Ugh...It was Saddam. They guys that hanged him were Sadr-ists who despised him, and they knew who he was. Then again if you you think the Iraqi government is some kind of American puppet government (which it isn't, I mean we aren't talking post-World War II Japan here) then I guess you could think they staged it. I mean, it isn't like anyone (really) is acting like he isn't dead. There are no rumors. How in the heck are you suppose to cover something like this up?

So for specifics: Was Saddam caught by the Americans, or not? Did the Americans, or Iraqis release him, or are they still holding him? Again, what could they possibly be planning to do with him if they are holding him? Does anyone who believes it was not him who was executed have answers to these questions? Doesn't it matter.

Maybe you are just wrong.

I have to admit have become very skeptical of conspiracies theories the older I have gotten. I even disagree with majority of Americans in popular conspiracy theories (ie: I think Oswald alone was behind the JFK assassination).



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06 Feb 2007, 10:48 am

To be honest, the only reason I think we have these conspiracy theories is because governments are known to lie. Remove them, remove the lies 8)



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06 Feb 2007, 12:42 pm

Yeah they are keeping the real Sadam alive because they know he is the only person that can restore order to that crap hole of a country.



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06 Feb 2007, 1:16 pm

jimservo wrote:
snake321 wrote:
jim, hypothetically i would suggest that were saddam still alive, he would have fled iraq and be living in hiding somewhere anonymously.


If that were the case, then does that mean the guy on trial wasn't even Saddam? How far does this conspiracy stretch?

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You think HIS tribe would say "oh wait, this isn't him?" God no, they'd be happy he was still alive.


The propaganda value in the fact that Saddam was still alive would be absolutely massive. It would expose the Americans and the Iraqi governments as mind bogglingly foolish.

Ugh...It was Saddam. They guys that hanged him were Sadr-ists who despised him, and they knew who he was. Then again if you you think the Iraqi government is some kind of American puppet government (which it isn't, I mean we aren't talking post-World War II Japan here) then I guess you could think they staged it. I mean, it isn't like anyone (really) is acting like he isn't dead. There are no rumors. How in the heck are you suppose to cover something like this up?

So for specifics: Was Saddam caught by the Americans, or not? Did the Americans, or Iraqis release him, or are they still holding him? Again, what could they possibly be planning to do with him if they are holding him? Does anyone who believes it was not him who was executed have answers to these questions? Doesn't it matter.

Maybe you are just wrong.

I have to admit have become very skeptical of conspiracies theories the older I have gotten. I even disagree with majority of Americans in popular conspiracy theories (ie: I think Oswald alone was behind the JFK assassination).


Jim, this wasn't my quote:
jim, hypothetically i would suggest that were saddam still alive, he would have fled iraq and be living in hiding somewhere anonymously.



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07 Feb 2007, 11:35 am

snake321, I most sincerely apologize. I have posted a correction.



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07 Feb 2007, 11:52 am

Occam's razor: there never was any Saddam double to begin with. It was a propaganda lie. Think it again: the doubles prevented the assassination of Saddam, so the US had to resort to outright invasion.

http://www.gulufuture.com/saddam-captured.htm

Things like Nayira and WMDs should at least give people a reasonable doubt on the existence of a whole castle of lies.