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22 Jul 2013, 2:29 pm

If you live in the UK, the PM is planning to implement a draconian new blocking system similar to what they have in China, for all UK broadband subscribers, in the name of protecting children from porn. Of course there's no credible evidence of this being a problem in the first place, but Dave is determined to fix it by implementing the kind of blocks you had on school computers, in your own home.

Do you sit there and take it, or what?



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22 Jul 2013, 2:44 pm

The way I see it is a further subcontracting of parenting. It is also reflects the people don't take responsibility for themselves or their offspring. They are poorly informed too, even in this very technological world.

I'm from this technical field, so I know it won't work.

The heuristics won't even be good enough so innocent businesses, and individuals will get blocked, who have nothing to do with pornography.

Anything seriously illegal is on P2P, and they won't be able to stop that.


One thing I will say is, there is an assumption that young children need a phone with an internet connection, etc. This couldn't be further from the truth. They don't need these thing, and they don't need to be on social media, etc. In fact adult don't need to be on social media.

A little bit of bottle, goes a long way. Last time I checked it isn't these young children that are paying the bills.



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22 Jul 2013, 2:50 pm

... more Puritan Conservatism ...

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22 Jul 2013, 2:51 pm

Apparently the idea is to automatically block adult content from all homes unless you opt out of this blocking. So people can still opt out. The problem then lies in there being a database somewhere of all people who have opted out of blocking porn, which is really no ones business.

I don't think this will work because parental controls don't do a very good job of blocking porn anyway.



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22 Jul 2013, 3:03 pm

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22 Jul 2013, 3:19 pm

Is the UK still considered a free country? The entire western world is falling to these fascists.

It is funny how they announce this on the day the 'royal baby' is born, totally just a coincidence?



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22 Jul 2013, 3:48 pm

albedo wrote:
The way I see it is a further subcontracting of parenting. It is also reflects the people don't take responsibility for themselves or their offspring. They are poorly informed too, even in this very technological world.

I'm from this technical field, so I know it won't work.

The heuristics won't even be good enough so innocent businesses, and individuals will get blocked, who have nothing to do with pornography.

Anything seriously illegal is on P2P, and they won't be able to stop that.

One thing I will say is, there is an assumption that young children need a phone with an internet connection, etc. This couldn't be further from the truth. They don't need these thing, and they don't need to be on social media, etc. In fact adult don't need to be on social media.

A little bit of bottle, goes a long way. Last time I checked it isn't these young children that are paying the bills.


Not necessarily P2P, but other areas of the 'dark web' (that never touch Google) are there too.

And as for the rest of your post - I agree.

A paedophile could easily get their rocks off simply through searching for photos on photo sharing sites or YouTube if they wish. They don't need to go and look for proper child pornography.

Frankly, this is all farcical. I was reading an article on this some time back (about Google and all the crap they have to remove from YouTube) and they're working their guts out at this and have full control of the situation from their end.



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22 Jul 2013, 3:52 pm

Tequila wrote:
albedo wrote:
The way I see it is a further subcontracting of parenting. It is also reflects the people don't take responsibility for themselves or their offspring. They are poorly informed too, even in this very technological world.

I'm from this technical field, so I know it won't work.

The heuristics won't even be good enough so innocent businesses, and individuals will get blocked, who have nothing to do with pornography.

Anything seriously illegal is on P2P, and they won't be able to stop that.

One thing I will say is, there is an assumption that young children need a phone with an internet connection, etc. This couldn't be further from the truth. They don't need these thing, and they don't need to be on social media, etc. In fact adult don't need to be on social media.

A little bit of bottle, goes a long way. Last time I checked it isn't these young children that are paying the bills.

A paedophile could easily get their rocks off simply through searching for photos on photo sharing sites or YouTube if they wish. They don't need to go and look for proper child pornography.


or a city park or school playground... This could have unintended consequences.



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22 Jul 2013, 3:52 pm

Fnord wrote:
... more Puritan Conservatism ...

:roll:

Cant wait for when the liberal protectionists try to do the same thing somewhere else then see you do a 180 on your stance.



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22 Jul 2013, 3:56 pm

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or a city park or school playground... This could have unintended consequences.


That's far too risky.

Parents openly share all the material of children quite legally that many paedos could want.

I'm more worried about the desire now from many quarters to ban rape fantasy porn.



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22 Jul 2013, 3:57 pm

jerry00 wrote:
If you live in the UK, the PM is planning to implement a draconian new blocking system similar to what they have in China, for all UK broadband subscribers, in the name of protecting children from porn. Of course there's no credible evidence of this being a problem in the first place, but Dave is determined to fix it by implementing the kind of blocks you had on school computers, in your own home.

Do you sit there and take it, or what?


according to the BBC news, you will be still able to access pornography, but you will have to 'opt into it' by specifically informing your internet or telephone line provider.

Either way I'm not happy about it, it is a point of principle.

On the other hand, if it serves to expedite his eviction from number 10 and chequers, then perhaps we should smile a little.


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22 Jul 2013, 3:59 pm

thomas81 wrote:
jerry00 wrote:
If you live in the UK, the PM is planning to implement a draconian new blocking system similar to what they have in China, for all UK broadband subscribers, in the name of protecting children from porn. Of course there's no credible evidence of this being a problem in the first place, but Dave is determined to fix it by implementing the kind of blocks you had on school computers, in your own home.

Do you sit there and take it, or what?


according to the BBC news, you will be still able to access pornography, but you will have to 'opt into it' by specifically informing your internet or telephone line provider.

Either way I'm not happy about it, it is a point of principle.


Never mind that we've already had a de-facto Internet censor in this country for many years anyway, the IWF. Which is, of course, not accountable to the public.



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22 Jul 2013, 4:04 pm

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On the other hand, if it serves to expedite his eviction from number 10 and chequers, then perhaps we should smile a little.


The other lot will propose the exact same thing in the blink of an eye.

It doesn't really matter which of the big three parties you vote for. They all sing from the same hymn sheet.



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22 Jul 2013, 4:10 pm

Tequila wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
jerry00 wrote:
If you live in the UK, the PM is planning to implement a draconian new blocking system similar to what they have in China, for all UK broadband subscribers, in the name of protecting children from porn. Of course there's no credible evidence of this being a problem in the first place, but Dave is determined to fix it by implementing the kind of blocks you had on school computers, in your own home.

Do you sit there and take it, or what?


according to the BBC news, you will be still able to access pornography, but you will have to 'opt into it' by specifically informing your internet or telephone line provider.

Either way I'm not happy about it, it is a point of principle.


Never mind that we've already had a de-facto Internet censor in this country for many years anyway, the IWF. Which is, of course, not accountable to the public.

quite aside from their accountability [or lack of] I have tried to scour their website for a defintion of 'criminally obscene' adult content. Surprise surprise, I can't find one. Seems to be that moral crusaders apply their standards arbitrarilly. as, how and when they see fit.


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22 Jul 2013, 4:57 pm

".....will your internet be wanking or non, sir?"

*points and laughs at the UK*

Ha HA!
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22 Jul 2013, 5:02 pm

its utter hyporcrisy. I'm old enough to vividly remember the last conservative government, they were the architects of the original sleazy, debauch british politican.

You can bet half the tory cabinet have pornhub or similar in their personal browser favourites.


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