Joining Church of Scientology a way to break into acting?

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10 Aug 2013, 6:35 pm

If someone were interested in an acting career, could they join this organization, network with Hollywood hot shots and secure roles in motion pictures or television?

Anyone know?



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10 Aug 2013, 7:11 pm

I doubt you wouldn't be networking with celebrities, I imagine they keep themselves separate from rank and file members. I know they have their own celebrity center in LA. Also, I believe most are recruited to Scientology because they're famous rather than become famous because they're Scientologist.



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10 Aug 2013, 7:12 pm

I'd recommend Ordo Templi Orientis or Argenteum Astrum over Scientology.

Reason being: Aleister Crowley (the self-proclaimed 'beast') was tight with NASA JPL founder Jack Parsons (self-proclaimed 'antichrist') who found a red-head by the name of Marjorie Cameron who Jack decided was 'the scarlet woman' (the first in this line who wasn't a megalomaniac but rather someone else was on her behalf!). L Ron Hubbard - founder of Scientology - was roommate with Jack and Marjorie while Jack was trying to make the 'moon baby' via ceremonial sex magick with Marjorie. L Ron Hubbard was the guy who sat on the couch and watched much of the time if he wasn't jumping in himself.

Similarly to how Crowley took over a started and faltering Ordo Templi Orientis and caliphated it as well as having Argenteum Astrum, Jack Parsons was also doing similar things. Freemasonry, Ordo Templi Orientis, Argenteum Astrum, are all off of the same organizational template (ie. Freemasonry). Gerald Gardner took the same thing in the late 40's to make his Wicca organization.
L Ron Hubbard, being part of that group, decided to try his own experiment - Scientology - that seems like its largely extreme social engineering and control to such an extent that no physical violence is needed to control people (at least in the Sea Org). Same stolen format - new gimmick.


Where I'm going with all of that:

What OTO and Scientology both have - confused celebrities (is there any other kind?)

What OTO has that Scientology doesn't:
- ritual magick
- hijacked hermetic Kabbalah
- drugs
- alcohol
- 'do what thou wilt'

What Scientology has that OTO doesn't have:
- auditors (being on a lie detector all the time and being told what you are or aren't thinking - getting badgered till you agree)
- puritan moral living.
- military level of control of lifestyle (if you decide Sea Org is your thing).

OTO - for those who want to combine sex, drugs, and rock n' roll with gnosis and ritual magick
Scientology - for people who hate all of the above but like egg timers.

Hardly a choice IMHO. Take Crowley over Hubbard if you're gonna go to that crowd.



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10 Aug 2013, 7:22 pm

Thanks, TechStep, I didn't know about the OTO. Scientology gets all the headlines and it seems more accessible. It also has little in common with Scientology. Perhaps L Ron became disenchanted with the debauched lifestyle of OTO so he distanced himself?

How does one find a local chapter of OTO or is it one of those tid bits of info one must get killed later for knowing?



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10 Aug 2013, 7:24 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
How does one find a local chapter of OTO or is it one of those tid bits of info one must get killed later for knowing?

I'm thinking follow the scent-trail of patchouli. That's probably the biggest downside of OTO.



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10 Aug 2013, 7:30 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
How does one find a local chapter of OTO or is it one of those tid bits of info one must get killed later for knowing?

I'm thinking follow the scent-trail of patchouli. That's probably the biggest downside of OTO.

All one has to do is sniff and stick a saliva finger in the air? I see.



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10 Aug 2013, 8:21 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I doubt you wouldn't be networking with celebrities, I imagine they keep themselves separate from rank and file members. I know they have their own celebrity center in LA. Also, I believe most are recruited to Scientology because they're famous rather than become famous because they're Scientologist.


This.

If you're an unknown struggling actor waiting on tables you would be placed on a different strata of scientology than the Tom Cruises, and John Travoltas. You would get to be exploited as a cult member, and would not get to network with the celebs.



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10 Aug 2013, 9:15 pm

You don't join a religion or cult to become famous; you start a religion or cult to become famous.

In all my years of church-going, I've never known a celebrity to be anything more than a famous face on the congregation - they are there to attract more starry-eyed hopefuls into the pews, and more money into the collection plates, and they have "handlers" to keep us peasants at bay.

You may as well move into the 20500 zip code and hope to be elected President of the United States.



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10 Aug 2013, 9:37 pm

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If you're an unknown struggling actor waiting on tables you would be placed on a different strata of scientology than the Tom Cruises, and John Travoltas. You would get to be exploited as a cult member, and would not get to network with the celebs.

Now that I think about it, it's like, DUH! If it were that easy, EVERYONE on the earth would join Scientology thinking they would get meaty roles in flim and t v. There's simply not enough roles for all of them so screening would be needed.



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10 Aug 2013, 9:55 pm

Formula for getting in to the Movie industry:

1. Start acting at age 5.
2. Secure an agent, join the union, and begin formal acting lessons by age 8.
3. Learn how to ballroom dance, sing, shoot a firearm, ride a horse, use a fencing foil, drive a car, operate power tools, climb a cliff, swim, and fall from the roof of a building without killing yourself - all by the age of 16 - while going to each and every casting call and audition, staying out of trouble with the police, staying away from drugs, and maintaining B+ grades or better.
4. Be nice and courteous to everyone, no matter how awful they may behave.
5. Patience ... patience ... patience ... never lose your cool for any reason whatsoever.
6. Show up on time, every time - no excuses.
7. When the director says "Action", hit your mark, say your lines, and make it all look both natural and interesting.
8. When the director says "Cut", maintain your expression and posture for 5 to 10 seconds before breaking character.

The rest is up to you ... and your fans.



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10 Aug 2013, 10:43 pm

Even with all that it's pretty much a crap shoot and you gotta network like you never networked before. Think of all the competition. You would be better off starring in your own Youtube videos, working your way up.



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10 Aug 2013, 10:45 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Even with all that it's pretty much a crap shoot and you gotta network like you never networked before. Think of all the competition. You would be better off starring in your own Youtube videos, working your way up.

Or taking STEM courses and getting a real job.



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10 Aug 2013, 10:56 pm

Acting is one of the toughest fields to make a living or become successful. Most professional actors are really semiprofessionals. They actually support themselves in other ways, like being restaurant servers or cab drivers (because of the flexible hours).

Anyone who wants to become an actor needs to really want to be an actor.


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10 Aug 2013, 11:04 pm

nominalist wrote:
Acting is one of the toughest fields to make a living or become successful. Most professional actors are really semiprofessionals. They actually support themselves in other ways, like being restaurant servers or cab drivers (because of the flexible hours).

Anyone who wants to become an actor needs to really want to be an actor.

Anyone who wants to become anything significant must be totally and irrevocably dedicated to that goal.

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Or taking STEM courses and getting a real job.

Or religion/philosophy courses beyond a Bachelor's Degree ... and getting a real job.

:oops: Sorry ... I keep forgetting that you have a real job, too!



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11 Aug 2013, 12:15 am

Yep. That is true about anything. However, getting acting gigs is like finding needles in haystacks. 8O

lol. Yep. It can be done. (Although, to be honest, I had some people who tried to discourage me.) In the U.S., STEM officially includes sociology, too. :lol:


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11 Aug 2013, 2:34 am

Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Even with all that it's pretty much a crap shoot and you gotta network like you never networked before. Think of all the competition. You would be better off starring in your own Youtube videos, working your way up.

Or taking STEM courses and getting a real job.

Maybe they have real jobs but their dream is to star in a major motion picture. Would you cold all over their dreams?