Roger Waters- It’s apartheid “clear and simple,”

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Another reason I love Pink Floyd.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali ... raeli-fans

I'm not big fan of Israel, but they are around by many hater arabs. Off cours, many them aren't haters and can live of civilized way but the majority are fanatics, low iq (conventional technical intelligence) like many disturbing minorities in Western World. There are many individuals amazing people among this groups but unfortunatelly is not the majority.
What i see and dislike very much is a hypocrisy of many ashkenazim jews that defend Israel secretally and push the ''diversity'' and mass immigration agenda in all western countries. But, Israel have the right to defend themselves. If him open all border of your country, will be the end to him.

A major problem is not just how Israel is behaving at the moment, but also the nature of which Israel came into existance. Google 'the nakba' and educate yourself on how the indigenous arabs were forced off their ancestral lands. Before the formation of Israel there was a time when arabs and jews lived amicably, side by side. Apply some perspective behind your thought and you will understand why many arabs harbour anti Israeli sentiment and how it isn't clear cut antisemitism as so many of Israel's supporters would have you believe.

I have just seen there is to be a nakba memorial built in Scotland.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/p ... land/12839

Here is a photo from a recent Roger Waters concert:

If you're trying to imply antisemitism here, the inflatable pig is a mainstay at Pink Floyd and Waters concerts, particularly when 'The Wall' or the 'Animals' album content is being played. Don't attempt to take it out of context.

The appearance of the st david's star i would presume is his way of registering his disgust at Israel.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXa7G3kQKLY[/youtube]

Of course. I will retract all of my statements. After all, if someone whose primary news source is Electronic Intifada defends a member of the BDS movement, he must surely be the most reliable of sources.

Electronic Intifada is irrelevant, i provided the link because it gave a comprehensive quotation of Mr Water's views. Stop hiding behind sarcasm and hyperbole and admit when you've made a fallacious association.

Not only that, but he's gotten quite economical with the truth on British TV: Roger Waters Takes Liberties With Truth On BBC’s HARDTalk

Even a few years ago, the liberal ADL was concerned about his usage of iffy imagery in his shows.

Yes, i'm educated (better informed) about Israel but it happened 60-70 years before. What you suggest to resolve this palestinian cause?
Kick the jews of the region??
I'm suggest some soluctions how transfer the palestine people to Sinai peninsula, actually is part of Egypt,
impose economic sanctions against Israel,
or transfer israeli people to Jewish Autonomous russia state or Madagascar (pooor penguins)...
I'm also educated about the psychological strategic of ''anti semitism'' about every action of jewish people, one gun form to paralize every critics that they could be receive.

ah you see, I don't have an monopoly on the use of biased sources.

If that website could be any more hawkish it would have feathers.

Just did a short search on WP:

Electronicintifada: 113 hits

Israellycool: 1 hit

Not particularly. They're serious about Israel's security, whilst letting the door stay open for the Palestinians to agree a state. (We all know that the Palestinians aren't interested in a state of their own, as it would actually mean they'd have to take care of themselves and would probably be a very poor country without all that aid pumped into the place.)



I mentioned Elderofziyon twice too.

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When it comes to discussions about the behaviour of the state of Israel, I would have more respect for pro-Zionists if they came out and said that "might is right".

But no. The pro-Zionists want to drum up support in the West by pretending that Israel is some island of enlightened progressivism surrounded by a sea of backwardness.

And whenever anyone challenges the Zionist propagandists on this idea, the Zionists usually avoid the subject in hand and just start flinging mud at their opponent in the hope that some of it will stick.

So here on this thread we see that one of our resident Zionists has gone trawling through the internet to dig up some dirt on Roger Waters, and he's found that (shock, horror) Roger Waters' band use inflatable pigs in their live shows!

And then there is this:

Do you seriously think it's significant that "even" the ADL would express concern over a Roger Waters' "antisemitism"? Whining about supposed "antisemitism" is just about all the ADL ever does. They are not liberals; they are just a group of Jewish supremacists, a group who are known to have spent decades spying on American citizens who they've deemed too sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. (See here and here.)

Why are you even using the word "Zionism"?

After all, I don't see a lot of Albanianism, Brazilism, Cambodianism, Djiboutiism, East-Timorism, Finlandism, Gabonism, Hondurasism, Iranism, Jamaicaism, Kyrgyzstanism, Latviaism, Mexicoism, Netherlandism, Omanism, Portugalism, Qatarism, Rwandaism, Senegalism, Thailandism, Uruguayism, Vietnamism... (ok, no countries starting with a "W".. oh wait, Belarus - White Russiaism), Yemenism or Zambiasm on WP.

First you wanted to make a big issue about Pink Floyd's inflatable pigs, and now you want to make a big issue about the fact that I use the word "Zionist".
Judging by one of the other threads, I think I know what you are trying to get at.

You believe (or want to make out) that by not being a Zionist I am taking an extreme position because I am apparently questioning Israel's "right" to exist, whereas I apparently do not question the "right" to exist of other countries, and I am therefore unfairly singling Israel out.

Well, this is the opposite of the truth. It is Zionists who single themselves out by going on and on about their favourite country's supposed "right to exist". Most sensible people realize that the idea of any country having a "right" to exist is ridiculous. Countries exist as long as power allows them to exist. Many countries throughout history have come and gone. Whether Israel as a state continues to exist is not important to me, hence I am not a Zionist - and I disagree with people trying to make me believe I should be one (usually by propagandizing about how Israel is some great beacon of democracy or about how the Palestinians' problems are all their own fault, and so on).

Correct.


You are confusing cause and effect. There would be no discussion (and Zionists going on and on) about Israel's right to exist if there wasn't a lot of countries - including some of the worst dictatorships in the world - refusing to recognize Israel (and *only* Israel).


I suppose you have no problem with Israeli settlements on the West Bank, then. After all, the Palestinians clearly have no "right" whatsoever to those lands.


If the fate of Israel is so unimportant to you, then why are almost half of your posts on WP so far about Jews and Israel?