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10 Nov 2013, 8:36 pm

Please critique the following clip:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaUuSJx-VDA[/youtube]

Off hand: Paul never once mentioned that Jesus was born of a virgin. This myth did not enter the religion until some time after Paul. But, okay: the script writer is permitted a little bit of poetic license to make a point, even if most of the audience will be rolling its eyes over this one.



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11 Nov 2013, 5:24 am

It's biologically impossible for a virgin to have a baby. If the account that God is Jesus' father is to be believed, then I guess that God knocked up Mary.



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11 Nov 2013, 6:25 am

It's also biologically impossible for a man to rise from the dead, and chemically impossible for water to turn into wine. Your point?



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11 Nov 2013, 8:44 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Off hand: Paul never once mentioned that Jesus was born of a virgin. This myth did not enter the religion until some time after Paul. But, okay: the script writer is permitted a little bit of poetic license to make a point, even if most of the audience will be rolling its eyes over this one.


Yeah, it makes sense that the doctrine of the virgin birth was made popular after the Pauline Epistles and Mark were written down.



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11 Nov 2013, 9:17 am

If Jesus were to have met Paul, would Jesus have said "You go, girl! Great job!" Or, would Jesus have said "You got it all wrong! You suck!" Or, would Jesus have said: "That part is okay, but you're way out of line on these particular particulars." And, what would these particulars have been?



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11 Nov 2013, 3:57 pm

Paul does say to drink wine for the stomach,Jesus liked wine also.Jesus did seem to be more fond of the ladies than Paul.
I think Jesus would have told him to lighten up.


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11 Nov 2013, 7:08 pm

Jono wrote:
It's biologically impossible for a virgin to have a baby...

Parthenogenesis

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The word parthenogenesis comes from the Greek "parthenos", meaning "virgin" and "genesis", meaning "birth".


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11 Nov 2013, 7:35 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Off hand: Paul never once mentioned that Jesus was born of a virgin. This myth did not enter the religion until some time after Paul. But, okay: the script writer is permitted a little bit of poetic license to make a point, even if most of the audience will be rolling its eyes over this one.


No, this "myth" was one of the 70 or so prophesies about Jesus foretold in the Old Testament.

Isaiah 7 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.


As for it being "biologically impossible" for a Virgin to have a baby, there are probably a few hundred thousand artificially inseminated cattle that would disagree with you Jono.



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12 Nov 2013, 11:20 am

Nambo wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Off hand: Paul never once mentioned that Jesus was born of a virgin. This myth did not enter the religion until some time after Paul. But, okay: the script writer is permitted a little bit of poetic license to make a point, even if most of the audience will be rolling its eyes over this one.


No, this "myth" was one of the 70 or so prophesies about Jesus foretold in the Old Testament.

Isaiah 7 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Immanuel.



Nope. That was a misinterpretation from a Greek translation of Isaiah. Paul was a Jew and knew better. Feel free to resurrect this discussion:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt153383.html

Plus, Jesus' mom never called her son Immanuel.



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12 Nov 2013, 11:43 am

Jesus did NOT fulfill ANY of the prophecies required to be the Jewish Messiah predicted in the Old Testament. That is why Jews are not Christians. Do you really think the Jews don't know what their own Bible says? Do some research and you will see that the so-called "prophecies" fulfilled according to Christian sources actually are bogus.


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12 Nov 2013, 11:48 am

Would the lady with the curly, blond hair really have had that hair style back in the day? Doubtful.

If Saul was a proper Jew he wouldn't have whored. He would have been very rigid about sex, especially if married.

What I think happened was Saul was on that Damascan road all set to kill and imprison Christians for treason and he met a band of them at a prayer meeting along the way who talked him out of it. They were socialists, there was suffering all around. Saul became empathetic and wanted to help change his society for the better so he concocted this story, which was normal back then. If you wanted people to listen, you had to say outlandish things, or they went and listened to the guy who did instead. They didn't have television to rely on so they dreamt a bit more. Saul thought, by joining Christians, he could help people who suffered.

As far Jesus being crucified, I believe he was! Being crucified was a common occurrence back then. It doesn't make him holy just because he was but it was a brutal practice that needed halting. It is a fact, men were crucified. So, the idea of this One being crucified is not outlandish or far fetched. People concocted a mythology to get everyone to listen to His story and it worked, still doesn't mean the complete story is false.



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12 Nov 2013, 6:07 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Would the lady with the curly, blond hair really have had that hair style back in the day? Doubtful.


In the movie, she was an angel.

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
If Saul was a proper Jew he wouldn't have whored. He would have been very rigid about sex, especially if married.


As far as I know, Jews have always been okay with whoring. Saul was as anti-sex as any modern-day Feminist.