If God exists, why does he allow the US to suffer?

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06 Nov 2013, 5:40 pm

I doubt God exists now. He must've committed suicide a long time ago.
The US experiment is ruined permanently. It's evil and sick how he can allow suffering to such a great extent.



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06 Nov 2013, 5:53 pm

Ask why God allows ANY suffering first - before asking why he would pick on one country.

Well...we all know why he is picking on the USA- because we have gay marriage, or abortion, or playing cards on Sunday, or something like that.



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06 Nov 2013, 5:59 pm

God's intervention would negate free will.



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06 Nov 2013, 6:18 pm

If God exists, why does he allow us to suffer?



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06 Nov 2013, 6:27 pm

It depends on what you think God's roll is. I believe him to be psychological.



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06 Nov 2013, 6:55 pm

Janissy wrote:
God's intervention would negate free will.


If only free will was such a wonderful gift.

People can do just fine without free will as long as they're not conditioned to harm others.



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06 Nov 2013, 7:08 pm

MCalavera wrote:
Janissy wrote:
God's intervention would negate free will.


If only free will was such a wonderful gift.

People can do just fine without free will as long as they're not conditioned to harm others.

I thought free will is what all you anti government types wanted?



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06 Nov 2013, 7:27 pm

He doesn't allow the US to suffer. Americans just took the over-indulgence (V8 powered cars with more cupholders than seats, gas powered stoves, extremely flashy christmas decorations etc.) during an economic boom (namely the Clinton era) for granted. If you want an actual economic disaster, take a look at how Iceland went from having the highest standard of living in the world to having a standard that's well below that of the US. Another example would be Great Britain, who was once among the top 15 countries once, but now ranks as low as the 28. place. As a percentage of GDP, the US has much less external debt than many European countries.

For a country with barely any crude oil reserves per capita, the US got of fairly easy. As of 2013, the US ranks 8 places higher than Canada on the HDI list, despite the fact that Canada was frequently among the top 3 in the 1990s.



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06 Nov 2013, 7:45 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Janissy wrote:
God's intervention would negate free will.


If only free will was such a wonderful gift.

People can do just fine without free will as long as they're not conditioned to harm others.

I thought free will is what all you anti government types wanted?


Where did you get the idea I was anti-government?



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06 Nov 2013, 7:46 pm

MCalavera wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Janissy wrote:
God's intervention would negate free will.


If only free will was such a wonderful gift.

People can do just fine without free will as long as they're not conditioned to harm others.

I thought free will is what all you anti government types wanted?


Where did you get the idea I was anti-government?
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I remember some conservative posts the kind anti government people prefer penning.



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06 Nov 2013, 7:47 pm

Kurgan wrote:
He doesn't allow the US to suffer.


In order for that to be true, God must either not exist or it's not in his power to stop suffering from happening. Free will just doesn't cut it because, even with limited free will, God could still stop suffering if he existed and was truly God.



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06 Nov 2013, 7:48 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Janissy wrote:
God's intervention would negate free will.


If only free will was such a wonderful gift.

People can do just fine without free will as long as they're not conditioned to harm others.

I thought free will is what all you anti government types wanted?


Where did you get the idea I was anti-government?
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I remember some conservative posts the kind anti government people prefer penning.


How about not making the wrong assumptions about me based on some "hints" you saw in my posts.



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06 Nov 2013, 7:55 pm

MCalavera wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
He doesn't allow the US to suffer.


In order for that to be true, God must either not exist or it's not in his power to stop suffering from happening. Free will just doesn't cut it because, even with limited free will, God could still stop suffering if he existed and was truly God.


A hypothetical God (regardless of whether this god is a he or a she, a caring god or a non-caring god or an anthromorphic or non-anthromorphic god) does not owe it to anyone to give them cars with 300 horsepowers, houses with gas furnace or other luxuries the middle class in other countries can't afford. Americans who thought that the economic growth during Clinton was going to last, were naive. The vast majority of the people, get both the president and the congressmen they deserve, thanks to the fact that they know next to nothing about how politics work and vote for the one who's charismatic or the one who focuses on "family values".



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06 Nov 2013, 7:57 pm

But he allows suffering to happen, regardless of what he owes us.



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06 Nov 2013, 8:07 pm

MCalavera wrote:
But he allows suffering to happen, regardless of what he owes us.


The ones who suffer in the US (mostly people who can't afford health insurance) do so because the government let's them; which is in turn because the majority of the population voted for this government.



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06 Nov 2013, 8:28 pm

And God lets the government let them suffer. Therefore, God lets the people suffer and does nothing to stop it.