Is the Reunification Church (i.e., the Moonies) respectable?

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The Reunification Church is:
The One True Religion 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
A respectable Christian denomination 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
A non-respectable Christian denomination 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
A Heresy 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
A Dangerous Cult 53%  53%  [ 9 ]
A Benign Cult 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Other (please elaborate) 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Just display the results 18%  18%  [ 3 ]
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29 Jul 2012, 11:06 am

I remember, decades ago, college age people going around and telling people about the Moonies. Some of them were asking people for donations. They appeared (to me at least, and probably to others) as being unfortunate brainwashed kids who had been duped and now had their minds controlled by an evil cult.

Several decades later, the Moonie organization possesses quite a lot of wealth,

Wikipedia wrote:
The church-owned conglomerate Tongil Group has four subsidiaries listed on the Korea Exchange. Unification Movement is the largest U.S. sushi restaurant owner with 9,000 units. It is the second largest exporter of Korean goods. In some U.S. areas it is the largest employer.[170] For a while the Unification Church was the largest foreign investor in China. It manages the top Asian ballet company, the largest Asian helicopter plant, as well as the only automobile-manufacturing plant in North Korea, Pyeonghwa Motors. Three of its NGOs, namely Universal Peace Federation, Women's Federation for World Peace and Service for Peace, are in consultative status with the UN Economic and Social Council. The church owns Manhattan Center during Africa Day event, which was cosponsored by an affiliated organization.[177][79] Unification Church-owned Yeongpyeong Resort, The Ocean Resort and Pineridge Resort hosted Expo 2012 in May 2012, and will sponsor the 2018 Winter Olympics and Formula 1. It also owns the Peace Cup, whose president, Chung Hwan Kwak, is a long-time church member and he holds the positions of Asian Football Confederation Social Responsibility Committee Chairman, President of K-league, President of Korea Football Association, which is part of FIFA. Most notable Peace Cup football clubs are Aston Villa, Juventus, Lyon, Inter, etc.

Economic interests of the Unification Movement include the petrochemical industry, construction of golf courses, non-ferrous metallurgy, automobile industry, avia carriers, yachts building, energy drinks, banking, Hollywood, etc. The church owns a mansion in a former Gothic Roman Catholic Church. The church ranks third in the tourism market in Korea. It provides tours to North Korea for separated familiesand built a golf course for tourists in Pyeongyang. Japanese members of the Unification Church are the largest share of the air travel market in Korea. The movement owns hotels, an airport, and all the necessary tourism infrastructure units. The movement operates medical tourism; thus, CheongShim Hospital is the largest hospital in Korea in terms of internationalization level.

Scientific interests include cancer research. The movement continues to work for the end of communism


The Moonies also run the Washington Post.

And, now, the children of the Moonies (who seemed such social pariahs a generation ago) are going to Korea for quickie Moonie-style mass weddings.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoK6fiUaew8[/youtube]

The Moonies seem to be having a better run of it than the Mormons did at this stage in their history.

What do you think? Are the Moonies a respectable Christian denomination? A dangerous mind-controlling cult? Or what?



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29 Jul 2012, 11:51 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
I remember, decades ago, college age people going around and telling people about the Moonies. Some of them were asking people for donations. They appeared (to me at least, and probably to others) as being unfortunate brainwashed kids who had been duped and now had their minds controlled by an evil cult.

Several decades later, the Moonie organization possesses quite a lot of wealth,

Wikipedia wrote:
The church-owned conglomerate Tongil Group has four subsidiaries listed on the Korea Exchange. Unification Movement is the largest U.S. sushi restaurant owner with 9,000 units. It is the second largest exporter of Korean goods. In some U.S. areas it is the largest employer.[170] For a while the Unification Church was the largest foreign investor in China. It manages the top Asian ballet company, the largest Asian helicopter plant, as well as the only automobile-manufacturing plant in North Korea, Pyeonghwa Motors. Three of its NGOs, namely Universal Peace Federation, Women's Federation for World Peace and Service for Peace, are in consultative status with the UN Economic and Social Council. The church owns Manhattan Center during Africa Day event, which was cosponsored by an affiliated organization.[177][79] Unification Church-owned Yeongpyeong Resort, The Ocean Resort and Pineridge Resort hosted Expo 2012 in May 2012, and will sponsor the 2018 Winter Olympics and Formula 1. It also owns the Peace Cup, whose president, Chung Hwan Kwak, is a long-time church member and he holds the positions of Asian Football Confederation Social Responsibility Committee Chairman, President of K-league, President of Korea Football Association, which is part of FIFA. Most notable Peace Cup football clubs are Aston Villa, Juventus, Lyon, Inter, etc.

Economic interests of the Unification Movement include the petrochemical industry, construction of golf courses, non-ferrous metallurgy, automobile industry, avia carriers, yachts building, energy drinks, banking, Hollywood, etc. The church owns a mansion in a former Gothic Roman Catholic Church. The church ranks third in the tourism market in Korea. It provides tours to North Korea for separated familiesand built a golf course for tourists in Pyeongyang. Japanese members of the Unification Church are the largest share of the air travel market in Korea. The movement owns hotels, an airport, and all the necessary tourism infrastructure units. The movement operates medical tourism; thus, CheongShim Hospital is the largest hospital in Korea in terms of internationalization level.

Scientific interests include cancer research. The movement continues to work for the end of communism


The Moonies also run the Washington Post.

And, now, the children of the Moonies (who seemed such social pariahs a generation ago) are going to Korea for quickie Moonie-style mass weddings.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoK6fiUaew8[/youtube]

The Moonies seem to be having a better run of it than the Mormons did at this stage in their history.

What do you think? Are the Moonies a respectable Christian denomination? A dangerous mind-controlling cult? Or what?



The Washington TIMES!


I think you're confusing the Post, with the Times.

Here in DC we have The Washington Post, and the Washington Times.

The older paper that burst into national prominence by breaking the Watergate Scandal (woodward and bernstien, and all that) was the Post.

Its the Post's younger rival-the Times- founded in the eighties- that was bankrolled by the Moonies.

The Evening Star had long been driven to extinction and we needed a second paper. So I cant totally complain about Moons newspaper investment, but yes-our second paper is run by the moonies.



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29 Jul 2012, 12:14 pm

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The Washington TIMES!


I think you're confusing the Post, with the Times.

Here in DC we have The Washington Post, and the Washington Times.

The older paper that burst into national prominence by breaking the Watergate Scandal (woodward and bernstien, and all that) was the Post.

Its the Post's younger rival-the Times- founded in the eighties- that was bankrolled by the Moonies.

The Evening Star had long been driven to extinction and we needed a second paper. So I cant totally complain about Moons newspaper investment, but yes-our second paper is run by the moonies.


Typing error. I knew it was the Times, but typed Post. Thanks for the correction.



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29 Jul 2012, 12:46 pm

It does seem that the Moonies are no longer recruiting much. Certainly not like the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. Plus, they don't seem to be promoting a strategy of outbreeding everyone else, like the Mormons and Catholics.

Members are still paying their tithes, and the church certainly isn't losing any money on the mass weddings.

The organization right now seems much more interested in business and politics than in religion.

The member tithes are probably quite small right now compared to the business profits, but still represent a sizeable source of income that competing businesses don't enjoy.



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29 Jul 2012, 12:59 pm

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It does seem that the Moonies are no longer recruiting much. Certainly not like the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. Plus, they don't seem to be promoting a strategy of outbreeding everyone else, like the Mormons and Catholics.

Members are still paying their tithes, and the church certainly isn't losing any money on the mass weddings.

The organization right now seems much more interested in business and politics than in religion.

The member tithes are probably quite small right now compared to the business profits, but still represent a sizeable source of income that competing businesses don't enjoy.


Didnt the reverend himself come out and announce that he was out of the religion business (he didnt quite put it that way)like 20 years ago? He said its "no longer the age of religion so he wasnt going to promote a religion anymore"-something like that.



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29 Jul 2012, 1:29 pm

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Didnt the reverend himself come out and announce that he was out of the religion business (he didnt quite put it that way)like 20 years ago? He said its "no longer the age of religion so he wasnt going to promote a religion anymore"-something like that.


Not that I've seen. Although he may have told cult members to return to their communities some 20 years ago.

The Unification church has something of a business-religious-political-media empire, with strong ties to our Republican Party and Religious Right.

Some articles are here: http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html



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29 Jul 2012, 1:50 pm

It is the Unification Church (not Reunification).

This is one of their own videos. Rev. and Mrs. Moon are being crowned in front of members of the U.S. Congress. lol.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f08clPMODw8[/youtube]

Basically, Rev. Moon and his wife claim to be the "messianic couple." They have, historically, advocated neoconservative positions and called them "heart-centered."

In recent years, there has been a major split in the church. One of Moon's sons broke away and started his own group. He took a lot of the membership with him.

These days, the central group usually calls itself: The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification. However, they go by a variety of other names, too.


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29 Jul 2012, 6:02 pm

His supposed work for international peace (described in the video above) might tend to cause many Christians to identify him as the Anti-Christ.



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29 Jul 2012, 6:31 pm

Here's a NPR bit on the group

http://www.npr.org/2010/02/17/123805954 ... generation

Instead of getting kids to drop out of college, and sending them out to beg for donations, they are encouraging kids to finish their studies and to become wealthy and successful. Probably a better long run strategy--extracting tithes from wealthy members, rather than mooching nickels and dimes from random people on the street.

Here is the website for the American branch

http://lovinlifeministries.org/

Now called the Lovin' Life Ministries--luring in the crowds with Rock and Roll.



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29 Jul 2012, 10:21 pm

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Is the Reunification Church (i.e., the Moonies) respectable?


I think you mean Unification Church not Reunification Church.

But yeah, it's just another wacko religious cult.



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29 Jul 2012, 10:30 pm

Any religion that can get a huge crowd composed of newly introduced couples to get married en mass has to have a great deal of mind control over the membership.

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29 Jul 2012, 11:10 pm

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Are the Moonies a respectable Christian denomination? A dangerous mind-controlling cult?

What's the difference?

(I would have thought that by now, someone would have said this. Apparently not. I am quite surprised. It struck me as a madatory joke.)



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30 Jul 2012, 8:03 am

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Any religion that can get a huge crowd composed of newly introduced couples to get married en mass has to have a great deal of mind control over the membership.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The funny thing is that the people getting married (in the video above) seem to be perfectly well-adjusted people who would have no trouble mating through more conventional procedures--unlike the planeloads of guys flying to Russia for a quick wedding.

Also, the marriages seem to end up being more successful than the general population.



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30 Jul 2012, 11:30 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Any religion that can get a huge crowd composed of newly introduced couples to get married en mass has to have a great deal of mind control over the membership.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The funny thing is that the people getting married (in the video above) seem to be perfectly well-adjusted people who would have no trouble mating through more conventional procedures--unlike the planeloads of guys flying to Russia for a quick wedding.

Also, the marriages seem to end up being more successful than the general population.


Interesting. Then again, I imagine they dare not divorce when "God" himself had married them.

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30 Jul 2012, 6:06 pm

The Unificationists no longer do the mass weddings. However, they still defend neoconservative causes and call them "heart centered."


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30 Jul 2012, 6:08 pm

I suppose if you were really desperate for a spouse, joining the moonies wouldnt be the worst idea in the world.

Heck, during my lowest days I would probably have considered if the opportunity had come along.