Politically correct people stay out of my threads

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Once again, my best friends are black and puerto rican. So, call me a racist again. Your just making illogical statements. I'm threw here at wrong planet, I see no point in arguing with people who are too ignorant to see their own faults. Yes, I have seen mine, and I've worked over many of them. If I have an ego it's because I'm surrounded by people who have no interest in bettering themselves and seeking logical ways of bringing ALL humanity, be they black, white, borwn, asian, jewish, christian, atheist, muslim, straight, gay, bi, male, female, or whatever, to humanity's best interest, not one group's or one person's best interest.

Hey, relax dude .. we are debating, not arguing.

Everyone's got different views, just stay coooooool


(... i'm glad you now see the light though )

Thank you for accepting my apology, and I realise that your philosophy would not generally be considered naive, an accusation a bit rich coming from me probably. So you are a libertarian or classical liberal. I think I will use the latter; the former is as open to misinterpretation as liberal and classical liberal is reasonably specific. I appreciate that being misdiagnosed, especially on a grand scale, can be decidedly provoking. My profound apologies.

Ok, I really am not a person easy to piss off. Well, I don't think my philosophy is on the extreme end, if you confused me with anarcho-anythingism then I can see that attack actually being valid, however, I did explicitly say that interventions could be necessary. I just distrust some of them, especially the ones that attempt to go against markets which is not a completely irrational position as I am sure that many groups do think that markets should be used. Your choices on what to all me, I obviously show a strong tendency not to care what I am called so long as it is accurate. Ok, as I said earlier I do not offend incredibly easy, at least not when something is unintentional.

Enlighten us further, would you? What else does political correctness mean? I think to snake321, and certainly to myself, it means any real dialogue involving certain issues is stifled for fear of politically instigated repercussions. For example, say some local Muslim youths were intimidating elderly people, and this was becoming a problem for the indigenous inhabitants of a certain part of the UK. Chances are that the police would do little, the local press wouldn't report it, and those who pushed for action to be taken would be labelled as racist. And that's why nobody else would act: because being labelled racist means you can lose your job, be subject to intimidation, and even arrest and imprisonment. Who does that benefit? Only politicians, and the type of people who like to abuse the hospitality of a nation that's given them a home. Why does it occur specifically in the case I've given? Because politicians have filled the South east of the country to bursting point with foreigners of different cultures, languages and colours, with reckless negligence as regards to the impact on the people who already live here. These politicians, to protect their own positions, need to be able to control the understandable anger many feel: political correctness is one tool they use. Political correctness creates an illusion.



But they are not. They never have been, and never will. Political correctness again uses an illusion to create an artificial paradigm for left wing ideology to function; it's the only place most left wing ideology can function: cloud-cuckoo-land.

This makes no sense.

He is essentially just stating that everyone is not equal, he argues that political correctness is a tool of the left to push forward ideas that are incorrect by making them seem "correct". He then ends with the belief that left-wing ideas are unrealistic. One can argue that he is incorrect, but his argument is easy to discern, and probably will be something that Davidufo will try to attack through attacking the right as wrong, and through defending political correctness as simply a way to be polite. I may be misinterpreting you as you might just be claiming that his logic does not follow.

Of course markets should be used. They are needed for the exchange of goods and in the process ideas. I am just sceptical of the extent of the use; but certainly governments are not exactly a panacea either.

Yeah, I got the gist of it. The logic doesn't follow.

...But I probably should drop it. Sorry about saying anything.

No need to apologise. You have not said anything requiring atonement.

Gobi, Alexander is right. You did nothing wrong. You just probably should be a bit more specific when asking or criticizing. That way your idea can be addressed and improve upon or destroy the argument at hand.

Well, I'd say that the big question in the economy is how widely markets should be used. There are effectively opinions all the way from anarcho-capitalism as you called me earlier to out and out totalitarianism. There is no panacea though, and I would ask anyone who thinks otherwise to think on their idea again.

Thanks for the advice. I try to avoid discussions like these online, because I find the logical processess of people discussing quasi-political/sociological views to be, on the whole, frightening. And when I read particulalry poorly constructed arguments (either with real logical fallacies or, as is usually the case, thousands of unspoken premises (most of which are as dubious as the ones formally described) I tend to want to lend a hand. (I have a formal education in logic, philosophy, and political science.) This invariably gets me into a world of s**t in NT-centric forums, because those people really don't want to learn anything -- they just want to parrot what they hear on the news, or in fora that appeals to ones political orientation. I'd guess that in here (at least from what I can tell reading through this thread) there's just a tendency towards unwarranted anger, fused together with all of the normal half-conceived thinking one can read elsewhere. Of course, in here everyone's treated with kid-gloves because of autistic spectrum issues. That's cool.

There is, as can be expected, some good thinking in here, as well. But's it's too much to sort through and being cognizant of everyone's baseline knowledge, understanding, biases, is too taxing.

So, to be on the safe side, I withdraw my comment.

Logical processes frightening. Makes sense, most people do have many many premises flowing through their ideas that are not fully elaborated upon and usually more focus is put upon finding the one premise that we find to be the Chinese in the armor because trying to get people to go through their entire system is like pulling teeth. Many people do have premises that we would dislike or find shocking though.

What did you study to give you this formal education? Were you simply a philosophy and poli sci major or did you go deeper?

Yeah, bias is pretty much found everywhere in everyone and everyone attempts to avoid truth. I read something somewhat recently by libertarian economist Arnold Kling on that here: http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010407A . It pretty much is an attack on everyone, no matter how educated, on their views.

Unwarranted anger? Are you speaking of the political views of some people or are you speaking on a specific person or a few? The reason I ask that is because some people are just hotheads. I think that McJeff and snake both end up fitting in that group. McJeff is very patriotic and snake believes he is very correct. I don't necessarily know about people being treated with kid gloves though, I suppose it is possible, however, I would simply think that there is a low level of flaming.
Ok, I think that is quite understandable. Sometimes getting to the heart of these matters is like pulling teeth. People often have a very powerful set of biases flowing through everything and to get at that and cause them to accept things can be difficult. As well, it is very difficult to try to teach them new things as well so that way they can understand where your point comes from.

Your decision to make.

Well, you can't seem to keep away from this one! Why don't you actually add something constructive? Btw, I'm sure you do have an excellent education in philosophy, logic and political sciences, but most of us here have not had such a privilege. You may find, also, that few of us have the time to construct a thesis length document every time we post, so we may have to argue using the odd unspoken premise. If you could possibly bear to hang around and communicate with us educationally-challenged hoi polloi, you may find that in some instances your vast breadth of education is no substitute for living the reality — that's to say, in this context, having to live with the influence of political correctness.