Was Mary, the Mother of Jesus, Indeed a Virgin?

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...if it's not a personal question...

One cannot get pregnant without doing "it". Joseph was just being naive ; of all women betraying their husband, "a ghost conceived the baby" is the weakest possible excuse but Mary proves you can get away with it as long as your husband is naive enough to swallow it.

Well, I guess pregnancy without intercourse is possible if you use the other entrance and some sperm runs out... but that is rather gross and unlikely that this happened. I'd say the "holy virgin" thing was one of the first cases of adultery and a very original excuse to get away with it

I remember a documentary mentioning something about her being a whore..

that's a diff mary.... mary magdalen (sp, i know).... the woman they stoned in the streets for BEING a whore and jesus came to her defense

(though some think jesus married her, actually.... so maybe his tastes do run in the family......)

Correct. The A Perfect Circle song "Magdalena" is about a prostitute and the song uses biblical reference throughout the lyrics.

But to stick to the topic subject: I find it hard to understand why anyone would believe in the story of the Holy Virgin. getting pregnant without any form of sexual contacts is just impossible. Believing it is possible is the same like believing the easter bunny will bring you a present for real. I prefer to believe only what is proven, and no way a pregnency-without-conceiving can ever be proven.

I once ran this same poll on a completely different (non-Asperger) forum,

http://forum.tvsushi.com/index.php?show ... 35&hl=mary

A little over one-half believed Mary to have been a virgin, and, of these, a fair number (probably most of the Catholics) believed that Mary remained a virgin throughout her life.

Aspies may tend to be a bit more rational than most folks.

I guess the real question should be: did she even exist? While Jesus may had been a real person at some point in the past, you have to remember that most prophets, great leaders, etc, tend to attract overexaggerations and folklore about their real life or family.

For example, take George Washington and the cherry tree. Its not clear if he ever did chop it down, or even if there was one to begin with. But a person of his importance certainly drew some folklore in order to glorify him. And Jesus may not have been any different.

I personally doubt that this ever did exist, and even if she did she was most certainly not a virgin. But, this is something that is taken on faith alone. I cannot prove that empirically, for we do not have her dead body available with us.

I have yet to see evidence for this claim.

wrong mary.




though i did see a documentary* speculating that she may have been raped by a roman guard and that to protect her, joseph took her in with child.


but overall, no virgin birth. the rest is just speculation about a person who may not have existed.


edit: it wasn't a documentary per say....it was a show on the discovery channel.

Last edited by skafather84 on 22 Oct 2007, 10:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Actually, in the Bible there is no mention of Mary Magdalene being a prostitute, there is only a mention of her being "possesed by demons", but the relation to prostitution was an interpretation and assumption relating her to the woman who was about to get stoned, which it doesn't explicitly say it is her.

Yes, I think I saw that show too, they showed a 13 year old pregnant Mary, sad but things were like that then, things that it is nothing like it is popular believed how they were.

Like George's wooden teeth (they were cows teeth amongst other things), him throwing the silver dollar (they didn't even exist at the time he allegedly threw it) we know he never chopped down the cherry tree. A biographer made the story up to illustrate how honest he was. The biographer was Parson Mason Weems otherwise known as Mason Locke Weems

well i mean..no one's gonna pray to a child that was the result of a rape....

or of underage sex....and actually with all things considered...if joseph and mary did have sex, it would basically be considered statutory rape today. so they nix out any sex at all and leave mary a virgin untainted by an orgasm (because nothing is dirtier than one enjoying themselves).

i am willing to accept that the bible is based on hearsay. i know it didnt specifically say that... but that's just who she's generally known as

There has been a recent scientific report of a virgin shark giving birth. So maybe God's sexual preferences have changed.

We require a 4th option for "Neither Jesus nor Mary existed."

Jesus existed: proven fact. Even I as an atheist recognise that.

What of course is not proven (and that is the whole point about believers or atheism) is that he was a son of god.

Personally I think he must have been a charismatic leader. And in a time when thunder, lightning, rain etc were not scientifically explained... well, people probably liked to believe that their leader was a sort of godly creature.

I believe Jesus existed but I don't believe there is a god and that he was a son of god. I also don't believe in coming back from the dead after being crucified. I believe Jesus was some sort of commune leader who was seen as a god by his scientifically ignorant followers.