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03 Oct 2013, 5:27 am

When I made it, day by day, with the right survival choices, through the abuse trauma that has defined my life, a stress collapse at school aged 13-14 under forcing to achieve more highly than I could, and with a fight to get the stress collapse taken seriously - only in hindsight is it possible for atheists to insist I must have got through by unlikely luck, like walking across busy traffic lanes and not getting hit. It was impossible to find such luck likely when looking ahead at the situation before it was safely over. I did not believe in my own self reliant ability to make it, I opened my mind to God if he was there, because I was in need to, to any guiding lead he could give to my actions, day by day. It worked, and my survival - let alone the school's subsequent discredit and closure - had the feel of coming from a source that knew they way to survive, a knowledge obviously outside myself because I did not have that knowledge, hence a guiding intelligence.

Otherwise I would be dead, would not have lived into the era of the web, or had all the life I have had free from those villain teachers' agenda and able step by step to undo everything they stood for. That is what he did for me - and for others as through the impact my survival made.

On the evidence of my and others' guided survival experiences where the survival odds were against us if we relied on ourselves, I am bound to believe in a universal intelligence that spans infinity. This fits within the modern range of what we call God, thought it might also be like what Native American tradition saw as the great spirit. Certainly I have logical difficulty with an uncaused being who there arbitrarily chances to be only one of, outside the creation: instead I think the oneness of God must be the same thing as the oneness of the whole cosmos, one continuous infinity, and that the infinite spirit exists as the total of all the finite beings and as an aspect of the continuous cosmos we all exist in.

This belief holds even though I agree totally with atheists about the obvious non-existence of a magic force who could if he chose prevent all the wrongs in the world and give us paradise, and who could only have silly cruel immoral reasons for choosing not to. An omnipotent God would never have needed to give me any difficult guidance by the awkwardness of microscopic prods to mood and motive that I was straining to detect: (i) because he would have a physical voice, to speak to us out of the air, as indeed the Bible claims he used to, (ii) he would have zapped my bad situation away in an instant. I was always conscious of this, at the time too, I had the rationality towards my prospects and the scientific common sense to realise he obviously could not have any such power and that I was not turning to him seeking for him to do any magic.

This means I am an - AOMNITHEIST.

This is such a common sense word that I find it incredible that I seem to have coined it and can't find any previous history of it being used. A - omni -theism, "omni" inserted between a- and -theism. The same as atheism towards omnipotence, yet theist, not the same as an atheism towards God. Simply, belief that God is not all powerful and can no more do any scientifically impossible magic than anyone else can. This belief has a long history, the gnostics from early Christian times to the Middle Ages were aomnitheists.



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03 Oct 2013, 5:44 am

God doesn't do anything... god just is.


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03 Oct 2013, 9:49 am

There's one too many word in that for me!

God is.



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13 Dec 2013, 12:21 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
God doesn't do anything... god just is.



But, I am.

And you are.



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13 Dec 2013, 12:23 am

god enables people to ignore god.



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13 Dec 2013, 1:22 am

God saved me from both abortion and suicide...literally.


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13 Dec 2013, 1:54 am

god or the laws of the universe within the metaverse or all that is, allowed us to have this discussion. god and all creation are but a grand thought from echelons beyond reality.



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14 Dec 2013, 12:21 am

My Gods and Goddesses have allowed me to get this far in life.
They have given me the bravery to engage in battle.
The honor to accept defeat.
And the wisdom to know when to retreat.



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14 Dec 2013, 12:50 am

Absolutley nothing because he doesnt exist!


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14 Dec 2013, 1:53 am

I would like to thank Bacchus for this lovely wine I'm drinking.


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14 Dec 2013, 2:40 am

Misslizard wrote:
I would like to thank Bacchus for this lovely wine I'm drinking.


Wotan has blessed me with mead :viking:



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14 Dec 2013, 3:19 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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I thought that was Jesus.

That's only a contradiction if you're an Arian (follower of Arius) or a Jehova's Witness.

or protestant.


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14 Dec 2013, 4:03 pm

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Died on the cross for my sins - and yours! :)


Thing is he didn't, I have never understood this deceit to explain the crucifixtion. Anyone who thinks god sacrificed his only son to absolve the past present and future sins of humanity, needs to read the book again.


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14 Dec 2013, 4:06 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
God saved me from both abortion and suicide...literally.


Literally! Evidence please, and I dont mean evidence of your near abortion, which by the way had it occurred you would have known nothing about, nor your attempt at suicide. Incontrovertible proof that nothing natural came to your aid. As the saying goes extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


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14 Dec 2013, 4:09 pm

auntblabby wrote:
god enables people to ignore god.


As Ricky Gervais put it at the end of the Golden Globes. ".....and thank you to God for making me an atheist"


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14 Dec 2013, 4:12 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
God doesn't do anything... god just is.


That is about the only explanation I can accept as even remotely plausible, IE the deist version of events.


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