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09 Jan 2014, 3:47 pm

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Question 3- Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan or the American National Socialist party? Last time i checked those cats were pretty right wing. Failing that, if you come to Europe you will find all the empirical evidence you could ever need that the right is more hateful than the left.

I don't seem to recall left wingers engaging in mob hangings of african americans or advocating the extermination of global jewry.


If we're associating the present day right with Nazi's and the KKK then lets go ahead in all fairness and associate the present day left with Communism. Talk about hatred and genocide. :roll:

Thats fine by me.

not everyone associates the left right spectrum with the American false dichotomy of liberal vs democrat.

Also some people do label themselves communists but don't necessarilly agree with the atrocities of Stalin or Mao Zaedong. Schools of communist thought are as divided as the schools of theology within Christianity are. Blaming all communist theory for the holodomor or cultural revolution is as silly as blaming Christ for the crusades or the Irish troubles.


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09 Jan 2014, 3:49 pm

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What do you consider to be bile-spewing?


I consider bile spewing to be intolerant and/or demeaning action and behavior toward someone you do not agree with.

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Anyway, a lot of my motivation for being hard-hitting against wingers is when I see them disregard evidence of harm to marginalize groups, try to invalidate the day-to-day suffering members of those groups go through, and interfere with policy developments that may bring relief to those groups.


The left does the same, just not to the same sickening extent as the most visible among the left. The left marginalizes groups as well. They might not be the goups you feel any empathy toward or believe deserve any consideration, but they are marginalized nonetheless: many flavors of Christianity, the wealthy, pro-lifers, gun owners among others.


You misunderstand what I mean by marginalized groups. Christians, the wealthy, pro-lifers, and gun owners are not persecuted every day in this country; they are not marginalized. They are actually quite privileged, in this country, that often try to use their political power to continue the oppression against actual marginalized groups, such as gays, lesbians, transgender people, the poor, the disabled, et al.

When I see many members of those privileged groups engaging in such continued marginalization of groups that are oppressed, I get angry.


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09 Jan 2014, 3:51 pm

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Question 3- Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan or the American National Socialist party? Last time i checked those cats were pretty right wing. Failing that, if you come to Europe you will find all the empirical evidence you could ever need that the right is more hateful than the left.

I don't seem to recall left wingers engaging in mob hangings of african americans or advocating the extermination of global jewry.


If we're associating the present day right with Nazi's and the KKK then lets go ahead in all fairness and associate the present day left with Communism. Talk about hatred and genocide. :roll:


not everyone associates the left right spectrum with the American false dichotomy of liberal vs democrat.

Also some people do label themselves communists but don't necessarilly agree with the atrocities of Stalin Or Mao Zaedong. Schools of communist thought are as divided as Christianity.


Uh huh, but it's okay for you to associate all right wingers with the Nazi's and the Klan like you did above.
The hypocrisy of the left will never cease to astound me. :roll:


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09 Jan 2014, 3:51 pm

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Don't assume every republican hates homosexuals, that is what the people who do hate them want you to do.


^this

There are plenty of Republicans who display some pretty prejudiced opinions about a whole host of peoples, but the same is true for many Democrats as well. At this point in the game, I think there are few people left (anywhere on the political spectrum) that are actually 100% in favor of their party's complete official platform on every issue. It is very unfair to assume otherwise.


And again, I never mentioned Republicans. I was speaking of conservatives. There ARE conservative Democrats, just as there are liberal Republicans.

And yet again until I am going gray ... I did not MENTION the word HATE. I do not claim that people who believe homosexuality or abortion to be a sin HATE gay people or women who have abortions. What I am saying is that by insisting that you have the right to restrict those people's lives because YOU think you are entitled to, you are being arrogant and condescending. (Please note--I am using "you" as a universal, not directed at you specifically. :) )



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09 Jan 2014, 3:52 pm

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Don't assume every republican hates homosexuals, that is what the people who do hate them want you to do.


^this

There are plenty of Republicans who display some pretty prejudiced opinions about a whole host of peoples, but the same is true for many Democrats as well. At this point in the game, I think there are few people left (anywhere on the political spectrum) that are actually 100% in favor of their party's complete official platform on every issue. It is very unfair to assume otherwise.


And again, I never mentioned Republicans. I was speaking of conservatives. There ARE conservative Democrats, just as there are liberal Republicans.

And yet again until I am going gray ... I did not MENTION the word HATE. I do not claim that people who believe homosexuality or abortion to be a sin HATE gay people or women who have abortions. What I am saying is that by insisting that you have the right to restrict those people's lives because YOU think you are entitled to, you are being arrogant and condescending. (Please note--I am using "you" as a universal, not directed at you specifically. :) )


THIS. It is the active efforts to perpetuate persecution that is the problem here! This is what many decry!


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09 Jan 2014, 4:12 pm

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I just stated I never said you said we were bigots, and now you call us bigots and willfully ignorant? Claiming anyone is ignorant is completely void if it is a matter of outright opinion. Why the heck am I ignorant? I don't recall claiming homosexuals were ignorant for believing they were not sinning! This is not even worth it, I was trying to keep you from looking bad!


To be honest, I don't need you to keep me from looking bad. That's just plain condescending.

To be honest, I don't need your approval to try and help. That is just plain stubborn.

And yes, I see willful ignorance constantly. There was a thread where I posted a wealth of medical evidence and my opponents posted none and yet they did not budge an inch.

And yes, I see the post where you said "When did I call you a bigot or hatefull". There was a post where you said willfully ignorant, therefore hateful, and yet you still repeat that you see ignorance.

Likewise, in a recent science thread.

Are you talking to yourself, what are you trying to even say??? This makes no sense.

It may not be everyone on the right, but this issue is pervasive on that side of the aisle.

It may not be everyone on the left (as I have stated it isn't on either), but you are completely changing the context of what I say, but this issue seems only to be you.

As well, I am not a Christian, therefore I do not agree with your view of the Bible and the Bible is not a valid, reliable source for what is right or wrong.

As well, I am not a believer in the belief that political correctness is outright instinctual, and should form our morals instead of our emotions and conscious. Giving up your views on matters because someone tells you your religion is for fools and evil idiots who are all insane is not valid, as it is not even right or wrong but complete balderdash.


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09 Jan 2014, 4:14 pm

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Question 3- Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan or the American National Socialist party? Last time i checked those cats were pretty right wing. Failing that, if you come to Europe you will find all the empirical evidence you could ever need that the right is more hateful than the left.

I don't seem to recall left wingers engaging in mob hangings of african americans or advocating the extermination of global jewry.


If we're associating the present day right with Nazi's and the KKK then lets go ahead in all fairness and associate the present day left with Communism. Talk about hatred and genocide. :roll:


not everyone associates the left right spectrum with the American false dichotomy of liberal vs democrat.

Also some people do label themselves communists but don't necessarilly agree with the atrocities of Stalin Or Mao Zaedong. Schools of communist thought are as divided as Christianity.


Uh huh, but it's okay for you to associate all right wingers with the Nazi's and the Klan like you did above.
The hypocrisy of the left will never cease to astound me. :roll:


1- i didnt associate all right wingers with nazis or the klan, but nazis and the klan are on the right side of the spectrum. Ergo, they are also right wingers.

2-the question wasnt which side is the worst but which is the most hateful.

I am first to admit that Stalin and Mao were among the worst leaders the human race has had but their failings were borne not out of hatred but out of a deeply flawed and misguided interpretation of Marxist economics.

If we're talking about hatred, the likes of Hitler and his kin clearly have the lion's share.


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09 Jan 2014, 4:20 pm

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Question 3- Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan or the American National Socialist party? Last time i checked those cats were pretty right wing. Failing that, if you come to Europe you will find all the empirical evidence you could ever need that the right is more hateful than the left.

I don't seem to recall left wingers engaging in mob hangings of african americans or advocating the extermination of global jewry.


If we're associating the present day right with Nazi's and the KKK then lets go ahead in all fairness and associate the present day left with Communism. Talk about hatred and genocide. :roll:


not everyone associates the left right spectrum with the American false dichotomy of liberal vs democrat.

Also some people do label themselves communists but don't necessarilly agree with the atrocities of Stalin Or Mao Zaedong. Schools of communist thought are as divided as Christianity.


Uh huh, but it's okay for you to associate all right wingers with the Nazi's and the Klan like you did above.
The hypocrisy of the left will never cease to astound me. :roll:


I agree with thomas. You don't have to be offended by being called a communist. Research christian communism, or christian anarchy. God is not a politician, why do you think he hate earthly this earthly that?


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09 Jan 2014, 4:20 pm

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Question 3- Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan or the American National Socialist party? Last time i checked those cats were pretty right wing. Failing that, if you come to Europe you will find all the empirical evidence you could ever need that the right is more hateful than the left.

I don't seem to recall left wingers engaging in mob hangings of african americans or advocating the extermination of global jewry.


If we're associating the present day right with Nazi's and the KKK then lets go ahead in all fairness and associate the present day left with Communism. Talk about hatred and genocide. :roll:


not everyone associates the left right spectrum with the American false dichotomy of liberal vs democrat.

Also some people do label themselves communists but don't necessarilly agree with the atrocities of Stalin Or Mao Zaedong. Schools of communist thought are as divided as Christianity.


Uh huh, but it's okay for you to associate all right wingers with the Nazi's and the Klan like you did above.
The hypocrisy of the left will never cease to astound me. :roll:


the question wasnt which side is the worst but which is the most hateful.

I am first to admit that Stalin and Mao were among the worst leaders the human race has had but their failings were borne not out of hatred but out of a deeply flawed and misguided interpretation of Marxist economics.

If we're talking about hatred, the likes of Hitler and his kin clearly have the lion's share.


Sigh......millions of exterminated people are still millions of exterminated people, regardless of the rationale and political affiliations of their exterminators.
The communists have a much higher stack of dead bodies to their credit.
Typical of the left to only take into account motives and forget the results.
It's only the thought that counts, eh?
:roll: :roll:


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09 Jan 2014, 4:23 pm

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Question 3- Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan or the American National Socialist party? Last time i checked those cats were pretty right wing. Failing that, if you come to Europe you will find all the empirical evidence you could ever need that the right is more hateful than the left.

I don't seem to recall left wingers engaging in mob hangings of african americans or advocating the extermination of global jewry.


If we're associating the present day right with Nazi's and the KKK then lets go ahead in all fairness and associate the present day left with Communism. Talk about hatred and genocide. :roll:


not everyone associates the left right spectrum with the American false dichotomy of liberal vs democrat.

Also some people do label themselves communists but don't necessarilly agree with the atrocities of Stalin Or Mao Zaedong. Schools of communist thought are as divided as Christianity.


Uh huh, but it's okay for you to associate all right wingers with the Nazi's and the Klan like you did above.
The hypocrisy of the left will never cease to astound me. :roll:


the question wasnt which side is the worst but which is the most hateful.

I am first to admit that Stalin and Mao were among the worst leaders the human race has had but their failings were borne not out of hatred but out of a deeply flawed and misguided interpretation of Marxist economics.

If we're talking about hatred, the likes of Hitler and his kin clearly have the lion's share.


Sigh......millions of exterminated people are still millions of exterminated people, regardless of the rationale and political affiliations of their exterminators.
The communists have a much higher stack of dead bodies to their credit.
Typical of the left to only take into account motives and forget the results.
It's only the thought that counts, eh?
:roll: :roll:


typical of the right to ignore the title of the thread?


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09 Jan 2014, 4:26 pm

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I just stated I never said you said we were bigots, and now you call us bigots and willfully ignorant? Claiming anyone is ignorant is completely void if it is a matter of outright opinion. Why the heck am I ignorant? I don't recall claiming homosexuals were ignorant for believing they were not sinning! This is not even worth it, I was trying to keep you from looking bad!


To be honest, I don't need you to keep me from looking bad. That's just plain condescending.

To be honest, I don't need your approval to try and help. That is just plain stubborn.

And yes, I see willful ignorance constantly. There was a thread where I posted a wealth of medical evidence and my opponents posted none and yet they did not budge an inch.

And yes, I see the post where you said "When did I call you a bigot or hatefull". There was a post where you said willfully ignorant, therefore hateful, and yet you still repeat that you see ignorance.

Likewise, in a recent science thread.

Are you talking to yourself, what are you trying to even say??? This makes no sense.

It may not be everyone on the right, but this issue is pervasive on that side of the aisle.

It may not be everyone on the left (as I have stated it isn't on either), but you are completely changing the context of what I say, but this issue seems only to be you.

As well, I am not a Christian, therefore I do not agree with your view of the Bible and the Bible is not a valid, reliable source for what is right or wrong.

As well, I am not a believer in the belief that political correctness is outright instinctual, and should form our morals instead of our emotions and conscious. Giving up your views on matters because someone tells you your religion is for fools and evil idiots who are all insane is not valid, as it is not even right or wrong but complete balderdash.


Right. I had not seen much evidence from you, since I had not even had much chance to argue with you. But some of it is now showing through.

I am referring to the disregard of medical and scientific evidence that is pervasive on the right, such as in the cases of transgender health care and climate change.

As for political correctness, the use of that term is a mere attempt to belittle the persecution the above-named groups go through everyday and the efforts to alleviate that persecution. That is hateful on your part and is the kind of thing that I seek to rectify.


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09 Jan 2014, 4:28 pm

thomas81 wrote:
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Question 3- Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan or the American National Socialist party? Last time i checked those cats were pretty right wing. Failing that, if you come to Europe you will find all the empirical evidence you could ever need that the right is more hateful than the left.

I don't seem to recall left wingers engaging in mob hangings of african americans or advocating the extermination of global jewry.


If we're associating the present day right with Nazi's and the KKK then lets go ahead in all fairness and associate the present day left with Communism. Talk about hatred and genocide. :roll:


not everyone associates the left right spectrum with the American false dichotomy of liberal vs democrat.

Also some people do label themselves communists but don't necessarilly agree with the atrocities of Stalin Or Mao Zaedong. Schools of communist thought are as divided as Christianity.


Uh huh, but it's okay for you to associate all right wingers with the Nazi's and the Klan like you did above.
The hypocrisy of the left will never cease to astound me. :roll:


the question wasnt which side is the worst but which is the most hateful.

I am first to admit that Stalin and Mao were among the worst leaders the human race has had but their failings were borne not out of hatred but out of a deeply flawed and misguided interpretation of Marxist economics.

If we're talking about hatred, the likes of Hitler and his kin clearly have the lion's share.


Sigh......millions of exterminated people are still millions of exterminated people, regardless of the rationale and political affiliations of their exterminators.
The communists have a much higher stack of dead bodies to their credit.
Typical of the left to only take into account motives and forget the results.
It's only the thought that counts, eh?
:roll: :roll:


typical of the right to ignore the title of the thread?


Typical of the left to wring their collective hands over an emotion like hate. And regardless of the thread and the OP, it's the left that screeches incessantly over hate and hate crimes.


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09 Jan 2014, 4:35 pm

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What do you consider to be bile-spewing?


I consider bile spewing to be intolerant and/or demeaning action and behavior toward someone you do not agree with.

beneficii wrote:
Anyway, a lot of my motivation for being hard-hitting against wingers is when I see them disregard evidence of harm to marginalize groups, try to invalidate the day-to-day suffering members of those groups go through, and interfere with policy developments that may bring relief to those groups.


The left does the same, just not to the same sickening extent as the most visible among the left. The left marginalizes groups as well. They might not be the goups you feel any empathy toward or believe deserve any consideration, but they are marginalized nonetheless: many flavors of Christianity, the wealthy, pro-lifers, gun owners among others.


You misunderstand what I mean by marginalized groups. Christians, the wealthy, pro-lifers, and gun owners are not persecuted every day in this country; they are not marginalized. They are actually quite privileged, in this country, that often try to use their political power to continue the oppression against actual marginalized groups, such as gays, lesbians, transgender people, the poor, the disabled, et al.

When I see many members of those privileged groups engaging in such continued marginalization of groups that are oppressed, I get angry.


If you think you are opressed in America, you are spoiled beyond what I can comprehend. Almost all hate groups are almost completely secretive, and if not, are hated more themselves by 70% of the people in this country (the people who hold a minority amount of power are far outnumbering the white rich people. I'm part native american, but I think it is one of the coolest things about me, it never has made me feel like an outcast.)
Please move to Nepal or Tibet, or watch hotel rwanda, or know what ww2 was. You are not opressed at all compared to those pressing times.


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09 Jan 2014, 4:40 pm

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Typical of the left to wring their collective hands over an emotion like hate. And regardless of the thread and the OP, it's the left that screeches incessantly over hate and hate crimes.


if the right are incessantly accused of hate, theres no smoke without fire.

If you look outside your star spangled bubble you will see that worldwide it is the right wing that is viewed as the mentality of scapegoating, mean spiritedness, economic short sightedness and yes hatred, not only by the left wing but also by the centre.


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