Sex education

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I'm Catholic from Poland

Here in Poland has started another debate on sexual education in schools. The current model of education in Poland sexual education involves teens in the spirit of abstinence, chastity, fidelity, love and responsibility, without promoting contraception.
Apparently, the government plans to change the model so that the curriculum for sexuality Education would held under the terms of the biological according to the current WHO guidelines.

As I left the church yesterday got a flyer entitled "Stop sekualizacji naszych dzieci - Stop the the sexualization of: our children"
I am writing in it that Poland has the lowest ratio in Europe of teenage pregnancy and the highest age of sexual initiation.

The Church does not like that, if introduced model permissive sex education , children were taught in schools how to use condoms and contraceptives that masturbation is nothing wrong , and that they have the right to sexual fulfillment . In addition, there are concerns that there would be no opt- out clause, which mean's that sex education would be compulsory for all kids from elementary school up. According to the church threatens the morality of children.

My first time having sex was when I was 16. I was at a summer camp with people from all over America. I grew up in a state with good sexual education and my parents bought me a book with detailed anatomical descriptions of both the internal and external structures to help me learn.

The girl(s) I was interacting with had no such education. They were from the south and were taught abstinence only. The first thing I will say, is that girls who had proper sex education would not have sex with me. They didn't want a casual relationship. The girls who did not receive the education felt that they were being treated like children and were being lied to, and they were determined to find out about sex for themselves.

In my interactions I found that the girls didn't know what to expect and that once they had decided to have sex with me they were relying on me to know what to do. When I realized this I tested their knowledge by asking one girl if I could "cum inside her." She actually seemed excited by this prospect within the context. I eventually decided to get out of the situation because I got the feeling I was getting in over my head and that if we got caught all the blame would be laid at my feet and I could potentially be charged with statutory rape.

Mind you, this was a camp that was the equivalent of an honors semester class in 2 weeks: these were smart girls. Because of the education choices in their states they were in a potentially dangerous situation and didn't fully understand the consequences.

Conversely back home there were some girls who participated in sex and many more who did not. To the best of my knowledge none of the girls in my classes was ever pregnant and only one or two girls were in that situation school wide (out of 2500 students). In places where there is no sex-ed teen pregnancy can be as high as 50%, though that is usually also correlated with poverty.

In my experience sex education does not make teenagers want to have sex, but instead makes them somewhat apprehensive about the realities of sex and it's consequences. When they do have sex they prefer to use contraceptives and they are no more or less likely to "sleep around" than others in high school. The most sexually active and sexually casual girls I have met have all been from states with poor or no sex education. Almost universally they were in highly restrictive religious schools. The one exception was a freshman in high-school who was maintaining two boyfriends. When they found out about each other and broke up with her she decided to abstain until much later.

In my opinion the primary purpose of restrictions on sex education is to promote teen pregnancy as a way of maintaining traditional gender roles by tricking girls into getting pregnant instead of striving for higher education. This also makes it easier for low income males to find mates, whereas more successful females will eschew less successful males. Everyone experiments with sex regardless of faith, gender, or any other demographic factor with only a few notable exceptions and so teen pregnancy is the inevitable result of a lack of education prior to the age of puberty.

After I realized the one girl would let me ejaculate inside her and did not understand why that was a bad idea, I asked her a question: What is the penis for?
The heart pumps blood, the lungs breathe air etc etc. It is not for peeing because girls tend to lack a penis and do so just fine. The penis is for making girls pregnant, plain and simple.
Her response: "Oh.... I never thought about it like that."

Sex education is necessary.

I have nothing against children being educated about sexual matters in general, but there's some aspects that I'm staunchly against.

First and foremost among them is probably the fact that so many teachers omit the option of abstinence entirely. I'm not a fan of making it the only teaching either, but demeaning it as "unrealistic" is truly damaging. The first thing out of every sex-ed teacher's mouth should be, "you are never required to have any kind of sex if you don't want to."

The lack of explaining multiple terms for the same thing is another arena that i think needs addressing. I'm not talking about crudely listing them like George Carlin's "seven dirty words" routine, but at least put them as synonyms in the textbook, so students can learn without being publicly embarrassed.

Something else that bothers me is how traditional marriage is treated in such classes. My health class didn't mention it at all in school, and from what I've read, things have only become worse. At the very least, teachers should stress that the safest medical option after abstinence is only having one partner all your life, instead of treating both options negatively. Since when is monogamy so inherently horrible?

Then, of course, there's the equalization of homosexuality, which could easily take up a whole topic on its own. Suffice it to say I'm not an advocate for its inclusion in schools at all, let alone having it being actively promoted. There's even elective classes on it at Ivy League schools, plus similar ones for illegal activities like pedophilia!

Your experience in sex ed was different from mine. Both options were presented but there really is much more to say about abstinence only than "sex: don't do it" which you may have missed if you weren't paying attention.

I don't really know what you mean about the traditional marriage concept.

I completely disagree with the homosexuality thing. I am not a proponent of homosexuality at all but the fact of the matter is that it's going on and not liking it doesn't change the preferences of those individuals. Ignorance, however, is completely dangerous. The number of times I have stopped fights where people were literally trying to kill each other over the perception of an individual being homosexual is unacceptable, this isn't the middle east. When you do not teach, specifically, the heterosexual students about homosexuality they will not understand it and will be terrified because of it's foreignness. Teaching people about homosexuality will not make them gay. Honestly male homo-sexuality is gross and no one who doesn't naturally have those urges is going to be more enthused about it when they have the hetero option available. Female homosexuality is actually not particularly interesting to hereto females either. I've been in situations where hetro females were interacting with homo females and they are on completely different wavelengths. Homo females are actually usually more interested in a committed, monogamous relationship and hetero females in that situation are looking for a casual encounter. When it comes down to it homosexuality is not that big of a deal in the slightest. However, the hatred of homosexuals is disruptive to society and promotes violence and barbarism.

We had sex ed in fifth grade.The girls and boys had separate classes on it.The teacher caught some boys crouched outside the door listening to the girls class. this was in the Little Rock public school system,I don't know if the rural schools had it.Maybe it made a difference in town,none of my peers got pregnant.We used birth control.But the rural areas have a big problem with teen pregnancy.

I think the whole issue is overblown for the amount of attention it gets, I don't know about you guys but the "sex ed" I got amounted to about week of a class of teenage boys laughing at illustrated pictures of penises and that nasty video of some woman giving birth. Just have a permission slip for parents that don't want their children participating, simple as that. I know teachers like to think they effect the world so much but a week of classes doesn't have nearly have the effect of what kids are taught by their parents or the culture at large. There were a lot of teen pregnancies in my school despite the progressive curriculum, I don't think it made a difference at all.

A week isn't much. At my school it was a year long class that also talked about diet, disease and included light EMS training. The culture also matters, when I was 16 trying to buy condoms the lady at the counter took them away from me and called the police (who obviously couldn't do anything because it's not illegal). The end result was that when I went to go canoodle with my paramour we ended up having unprotected sex anyways. For kids who have no money condoms are also too expensive and just try and get mom and dad to pick that one from the store for you!

On the other hand... what if it was illegal? I really don't think what we were doing was wrong enough for me to have to go to jail and have an arrest record the rest of my life, possibly her as well.

Abstinence is just another word for prohibition, and it's every bit as useless at achieving its intended purpose. There's nothing wrong with having sex, provided it's done responsibly.

Monogamy has it's flaws too, because for a relationship to work, partners have to be compatible on several levels, including sexually. Waiting until marriage to have sex can just end up leading to disappointment, and that encourages extra-marital affairs in an attempt to find another person to provide what's missing.

2000 years ago it may have been a lot easier to find someone with similar interests to you, and you wouldn't be surrounded by so many alternative partners. These days people are far more different from each other, and finding a suitable parner among them all is a much harder prospect, which requires far more searching. Meanwhile religion hasn't moved on, and wants people to commit to relationships, without going through all parts of the necessary discovery of who your parner is first.

And as for the church's view on contraception, if a religion has to spread itself through its followers outbreeding competing doctrines, then there is something very wrong with it, because it does not respect those followers, it is merely using them, much like a virus. Protecting them from disease was in their interest back when they wouldn't understand things like how disease is spread, but again, technology has moved on, and the church has failed to keep up. Instead it's promoting the same kind of ignorance it was intended to protect against, instead of embracing changes that free people from the need to follow outdated rules.



I think a far better way to promote safe sex would be for schools to teach children just how much time and money their parents have to put into bringing them up. Then at least they'd try a lot harder to avoid pregnancies, and avoid catching diseases in the process by using condoms, thanks to the guys knowing that getting a girl pregnant could very well result in them being liable for 18 years of child support payments.

I think I had like, three different sex ed programs throughout elementary school. Then we had one abstinence only group come in to teach a series of courses, and we relentlessly made fun of them the whole time. Man, that was hilarious.

My earliest exposure to sex education was on the school bus. Classroom instruction on that subject was boring and dry by comparison.

Poland has the one of lowest rate of teenage pregnancies is an organization that distributed the leaflet on the subject, says that this is by promoting sexual abstinence and fidelity. They argue that the United Kingdom which sex education model based on the model of permissive sex education has the highest teenage pregnancy rate