Is there "good" without God?
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Even if God exists, Good is best known for it rarity among humans.
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Holy crap! Are you certain you're not one of us German Lutherans?!?!?!
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Yep he would look if she were naked crossing the street definitely lol despite what he says in the video. She's really cool and makes plenty of good points. I like her
Yep he would look if she were naked crossing the street definitely lol despite what he says in the video. She's really cool and makes plenty of good points. I like her
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I am a Christian, but I still said yes. There are good people and bad people in all walks of life. People could argue all day about what belief system or school of thoughts yields the highest percentage of good people. I don't really care if more Christians are good people than everyone else, although I wish that were true. Maybe one day we will just learn to all be nice to each other and the world will be a happier place.
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I used to work in Christian television, so I've seen all of the "Way of the Master" episodes. Basically, the entire thing is nothing but Pascal's Wager over and over again. It wouldn't shock me even slightly if there's hundreds of hours worth of footage they erased to get what interviews they did. And to the best of my knowledge, they never actually converted anyone on the show. Most of the time they guy goes, "Yeah, cool, can we stop talking now?" and they cut to the next one.
I am of the stance that if a monotheistic deity existed it would have to be neither good nor evil, as it would be beyond both. Good and evil are most soundly understood today as human constructs used as a measurement for the morality of an action.
In a dualistic religion like zoroastrianism good and evil can correctly be attributed to both deities. As Satan is not classified as a deity, this does not apply to Christianity or Islam.
So yes I think that good and evil are not exclusive to religion.
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You worked in Christian TV? You have my sympathy!
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There is no such thing as absolute truth, there are only approximate truths. The only way of knowing that something is true is by means of having demonstrable evidence for it and last time I checked, there was no demonstrable evidence that any Gods exist.
If you look at the bible, there are places where rape is condoned, where God commands the Israelites to commit genocide, slavery is acceptable etc. The very fact that we can choose out of the bible the morality that we like and discard the things that we dislike indicates that the bible cannot be our ultimate source of morality. It has to come from something else.
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Exactly. The mores of the bible are the social mores of the the time in which they were written and have nothing to with divine intervention. The stories which make up the bible are quite clearly man made, they extol the values of the time and were designed to keep people in their place, eg the keeping of slaves and the lawful killing of them, the subjugation of women, the murderous intent toward homosexuals etc.
As society has become more educated and matured so have the social mores and the morals and ethics used to govern society, although I often despair that this may be starting to slip.
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I voted no, technically good cannot exist without God,
The word ..od is not getting us anywhere!
All the apologetic Christians , if your God told you to kill babies and you disobey you will rot in you hell. Deservedly so for being such half arsed believers.!
Stop bending Christianity to fit into what ever twisted mess of devotion you call belief!
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The word ..od is not getting us anywhere!
All the apologetic Christians , if your God told you to kill babies and you disobey you will rot in you hell. Deservedly so for being such half arsed believers.!
Stop bending Christianity to fit into what ever twisted mess of devotion you call belief!
To quote Martin Luther in regard to the Bible: "You have to take the shaft with the wheat." That is, not everything in the Bible is of equal worth. And so yes, you have to choose what's right and keeping with Christ's message of reciprocating God's love for us by loving one another. And killing babies is not conducive to Christ's message of grace.
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