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23 Jan 2014, 11:36 am

Does it even matter if somebody is religious? I mean, athiests and religious people go at each other like a bull and Hulk Hogan dressed in red. I mean, christ [no pun intended]! Does it even matter? I'm christian [but not an overly religious person] and I see people saying God is a delusion. He's a belief, is it that crazy?. Yes, because somebody even wrote a book about it. And it even happens on THIS VERY FORUM. It's like WW3. Special edition. With sprinkles.



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23 Jan 2014, 12:02 pm

I believe your question is more accurately depicted as science vs religion.

So, your question is better stated as "does it even matter if someone does not believe in science"?

Look at this non-scientist who discovered a causation between LGBT rights and autism ( http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/22/c ... bt-rights/ )

She has determined GOD inflicts autism because GOD is angry about LGBT rights.

So, does it even matter if someone does not believe in science? Does it matter if she were your autism doctor ? :)



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23 Jan 2014, 12:19 pm

when you ask if it "even matters," i'm not sure i understand what it is you want to know. apparently it matters to some people, but you probably know that, so are you asking if it really matters? like, if it really really really matters? personally, even though i'm not religious, and don't particularly believe a damn thing (not even my own words), i'm sympathetic to people who are. i wonder at the motives of anyone who would gleefully attempt to crush another person's hope. they hope because they're uncertain; uncertainty discloses a lack of control; we're all going to die and there's absolutely nothing we can do! *scream* :lol: if believing in God brings you some consolation, or gives your life a sense of purpose, that's fine with me. whatever works.

what concerns most anti-religious people is probably not the mere fact that you are, perhaps, believing some serious nonsense. it's what you do with that knowledge. do you attempt to control other people's behavior, for instance? do your beliefs influence your positions on public policy in a way that conflicts with people who do not share your beliefs?



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23 Jan 2014, 1:11 pm

Religion does not matter until it is imposed upon others.



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23 Jan 2014, 3:42 pm

Fnord wrote:
Religion does not matter until it is imposed upon others.


^This. Exactly this.


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23 Jan 2014, 4:56 pm

It doesn't matter to me so long as the separation of church and state is respected by religious folk. Sometimes, Christians will antagonize others for the sake of antagonizing. I live just to the south of Westboro Baptist Church and these people have assaulted this state on numerous occasions, protesting funerals, high schools and other churches all over this state! Can you imagine? A Christian church protesting another Christian Church? They give Kansas a bad name, makes it look very backwards and stupid, I am sorry to say. Whenever I see the word Kansas, flakes automatically come to mind and it's because of Westboro, mostly.
If your state had to put up with as much WBC nonsense as this one, you would quickly lose some of your sensibilities and would understand why certain people criticize.
Westboro Church is no longer welcome in this state and it's mostly conservative Christian people who live here. You should be asking Westboro why it chooses to annoy people instead of atheists why they want others to know what they think



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24 Jan 2014, 12:07 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It doesn't matter to me so long as the separation of church and state is respected by religious folk. Sometimes, Christians will antagonize others for the sake of antagonizing. I live just to the south of Westboro Baptist Church and these people have assaulted this state on numerous occasions, protesting funerals, high schools and other churches all over this state! Can you imagine? A Christian church protesting another Christian Church? They give Kansas a bad name, makes it look very backwards and stupid, I am sorry to say. Whenever I see the word Kansas, flakes automatically come to mind and it's because of Westboro, mostly.
If your state had to put up with as much WBC nonsense as this one, you would quickly lose some of your sensibilities and would understand why certain people criticize.
Westboro Church is no longer welcome in this state and it's mostly conservative Christian people who live here. You should be asking Westboro why it chooses to annoy people instead of atheists why they want others to know what they think
We could always pull a door to door athiest on them haha!


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24 Jan 2014, 12:17 am

That's a great idea :D



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24 Jan 2014, 11:38 am

I don't care one way or another if a person is religious or not.

The only two times it's a problem is

1.) Some religious type believes his "religious freedom" involves forcing others to follow his religion. (I.E. Christians who want to legislate Bible Law, Muslims who want Sharia law enacted)

2.) Some angry atheist decides to derail a conversation about religion or expressions of sympathy. (Ie, I saw an article were people were expressing compassion and prayers for an injured person, and some angry atheist had to start mouthing off about how worthless praying was, and why didn't god answer, etc)



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24 Jan 2014, 3:40 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
I believe your question is more accurately depicted as science vs religion.

So, your question is better stated as "does it even matter if someone does not believe in science"?

Look at this non-scientist who discovered a causation between LGBT rights and autism ( http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/22/c ... bt-rights/ )

She has determined GOD inflicts autism because GOD is angry about LGBT rights.

So, does it even matter if someone does not believe in science? Does it matter if she were your autism doctor ? :)


I fancy myself a Christian, and that stupid b*tch hardly speaks for me. There was time time meant for ignoramuses like her - - it was called the Dark Ages. She's the same kind of cretin who used to believe that the Black Plague was God's punishment for allowing Jews to live among Christians. Instead of running for office, she ought to go back home and flagellate herself for her sins. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
As for the science question - I have never had any problem reconciling my faith with the obvious truth of science (evolution, the geological age of the earth, etc). I think most mainline Christians would agree with me.


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24 Jan 2014, 3:51 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Religion does not matter until it is imposed upon others.


^This. Exactly this.


+1

I would love to have a drink with some of you guys. the conversations would be amazing


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24 Jan 2014, 3:52 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
I believe your question is more accurately depicted as science vs religion.

So, your question is better stated as "does it even matter if someone does not believe in science"?

Look at this non-scientist who discovered a causation between LGBT rights and autism ( http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/22/c ... bt-rights/ )

She has determined GOD inflicts autism because GOD is angry about LGBT rights.

So, does it even matter if someone does not believe in science? Does it matter if she were your autism doctor ? :)


Whether or not you're religous probably doesnt matter.

But whether or not you're sane DOES matter.

There are sane religous folks.

And then there are folks who are convinced that "autism is .." what you're saying it is.

Lol!

Im assuming that you're joking about believing that. I wasnt impuning your sanity ofcourse!

Lol!



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24 Jan 2014, 3:55 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Religion does not matter until it is imposed upon others.


^This. Exactly this.


As does non-religion.



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25 Jan 2014, 10:47 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
I believe your question is more accurately depicted as science vs religion.

So, your question is better stated as "does it even matter if someone does not believe in science"?

Look at this non-scientist who discovered a causation between LGBT rights and autism ( http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/22/c ... bt-rights/ )

She has determined GOD inflicts autism because GOD is angry about LGBT rights.

So, does it even matter if someone does not believe in science? Does it matter if she were your autism doctor ? :)

Ummm... Ehhh... That really sounds random. I really can't make sense of this. I'm being honest, it just reads like a YouTube comment.
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when you ask if it "even matters," i'm not sure i understand what it is you want to know. apparently it matters to some people, but you probably know that, so are you asking if it really matters? like, if it really really really matters? personally, even though i'm not religious, and don't particularly believe a damn thing (not even my own words), i'm sympathetic to people who are. i wonder at the motives of anyone who would gleefully attempt to crush another person's hope. they hope because they're uncertain; uncertainty discloses a lack of control; we're all going to die and there's absolutely nothing we can do! *scream* :lol: if believing in God brings you some consolation, or gives your life a sense of purpose, that's fine with me. whatever works.

what concerns most anti-religious people is probably not the mere fact that you are, perhaps, believing some serious nonsense. it's what you do with that knowledge. do you attempt to control other people's behavior, for instance? do your beliefs influence your positions on public policy in a way that conflicts with people who do not share your beliefs?

Umm, I take the bible as the world's origin story. No, I don't try to control people.
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Religion does not matter until it is imposed upon others.

I'm talking about all the arguments online, not religion in general.
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It doesn't matter to me so long as the separation of church and state is respected by religious folk. Sometimes, Christians will antagonize others for the sake of antagonizing. I live just to the south of Westboro Baptist Church and these people have assaulted this state on numerous occasions, protesting funerals, high schools and other churches all over this state! Can you imagine? A Christian church protesting another Christian Church? They give Kansas a bad name, makes it look very backwards and stupid, I am sorry to say. Whenever I see the word Kansas, flakes automatically come to mind and it's because of Westboro, mostly.
If your state had to put up with as much WBC nonsense as this one, you would quickly lose some of your sensibilities and would understand why certain people criticize.
Westboro Church is no longer welcome in this state and it's mostly conservative Christian people who live here. You should be asking Westboro why it chooses to annoy people instead of atheists why they want others to know what they think

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naturalplastic wrote:
Whether or not you're religous probably doesnt matter.

But whether or not you're sane DOES matter.

There are sane religous folks.

And then there are folks who are convinced that "autism is .." what you're saying it is.

Lol!

Im assuming that you're joking about believing that. I wasnt impuning your sanity ofcourse!

Lol!

English translation? Anyone?



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25 Jan 2014, 1:18 pm

English translation: anyone who believes that autism is gods punishment for allowing gay marriage is insane.



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25 Jan 2014, 1:37 pm

Was there a poll on this question?

if there was I would click on yes.

I don't know why because I can't remember the question. But I think because it sparks up good debate.


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