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14 Feb 2014, 12:58 am

Will the Liberal Party of Canada rebound as Official Opposition or Government? Can the NDP under Mulcair retain and expand the traction it gained under Jack Layton? And what about Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau? Will his gaffes (like hosting a condescending "ladies's night fundraiser) continue and start to detract from his image?

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14 Feb 2014, 3:14 pm

Gaffes notwithstanding, the momentum appears clearly to be with Trudeau.

Mulcair's challenge is that he has three completely different caucuses: Organized labour, western farmers and Quebec nationalists. In the third of these, he is woefully vulnerable. Quebec dumped the Bloc and went for Jack--but the <<NPD>> has failed to deliver the goods. Given the likelihood of a Provincial election, Marois' strategy on the Secular Charter and Mulcair's failure to engage with nationalists in a meaningful way, I suspect his seat count in Quebec will evaporate. But if he works hard to court the nationalists, then he will lose the West and Ontario. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He will keep his own seat, of course, perhaps one or two more in the East End of Montreal, and possibly one or two in the townships, but the rest will go.

The $64,000 question is where they will go. My current prediction is that a lot of nationalists will sit on their hands this time. Given that the Prime Minister is persona non grata in Quebec, I see the Liberals climbing to between 40 and 50 seats in Quebec: Fortress Montreal should be good for about 20, Gatineau, the Monteregie and the Townships for another 15, and five scattered in unexpected places. The Bloc will recapture a few, but not many--their time is passed, so they will have a bulwark in Quebec City and the lower north shore. The NDP and the Conservatives will split what's left.

Ontario is trending strongly to the Liberals. The 416 area code looks like a lock on just about everything. The 905 belt will be a bloodbath, and the Conservatives will hold a lot there. But farther out, there is a growing sentiment that 9 years and three elections is long enough for this government, and Mulcair simply doesn't have the draw that Jack did. Even traditionally Orange seats around Oshawa and Windsor could become vulnerable. Kathleen Wynne isn't helping matters, to be sure, but that's never stopped Ontario voters before.

The byelections in Manitoba suggested that even in the heartland, the NDP is challenged to get the vote out. The disappointing NDP finishes there suggest to me that the Liberals have a half a dozen or so pickups in the West, and the Lower Mainland in BC should be good for as many as half a dozen more.

Meanwhile, Atlantic Canada looks poised to swing. The NDP loss in Nova Scotia, and the Liberal resurgency in New Brunswick both suggest that of the 25 seats for grab in the Maritimes, the NDP will likely only find joy in two or three (two in Halifax, plus the Mirimachi). The Conservatives likely have only half a dozen holds. Throw in a solid red vote in Newfoundland, and the Atlantic is starting to look like it did in the 90's.

None of this adds up to a majority, of course. I suspect when the seat counting is done, the Liberals will have a small plurality and will have to depend on Conservative implosion to keep themselves alive for a couple of budget cycles. At that point Justin will have to sink or swim. And either is a distinct possibility.


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15 Feb 2014, 12:23 am

Trudeau better start getting it together. He's looking like a kid right now. If he can present a more mature persona I think he has the best chance. Either way, I'll be voting Liberal.


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15 Feb 2014, 4:13 am

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The byelections in Manitoba suggested that even in the heartland, the NDP is challenged to get the vote out. The disappointing NDP finishes there suggest to me that the Liberals have a half a dozen or so pickups in the West, and the Lower Mainland in BC should be good for as many as half a dozen more.


NDP performance in Manitoba is not transferable to the greater Western region. An unpopular 1 percentage point PST hike by the Manitoba NDP Government has gravely damaged the party brand in the province.


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16 Feb 2014, 10:19 pm

I like the financial responsibility of the Conservatives. We don't need more loans! But I dislike their relatively conservative ideology. Anyhow, I generally vote Green for Animal Rights reasons. I am getting tired of Harper though, I might like Trudeau more.



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16 Feb 2014, 10:39 pm

hyena wrote:
I like the financial responsibility of the Conservatives.


The CPC was dumb enough to project a balanced budget in a 2008 fiscal update - 2008 as in the time of falling revenues due to a global recession. They've also introduced massively inefficient boutique tax credits. The party is massively economically incompetent and it's nice to see that recent polls show they're no longer the most trusted on economic matters.


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17 Feb 2014, 12:45 am

I am not well versed in politics but as I understand it the Liberals are likely to temporarily raise the living standard by borrowing money and making life harder for future generations. I think it is foolish to raise living standards by borrowing money. I could be wrong about this though.

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hyena wrote:
I like the financial responsibility of the Conservatives.


The CPC was dumb enough to project a balanced budget in a 2008 fiscal update - 2008 as in the time of falling revenues due to a global recession. They've also introduced massively inefficient boutique tax credits. The party is massively economically incompetent and it's nice to see that recent polls show they're no longer the most trusted on economic matters.



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17 Feb 2014, 1:05 am

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I am not well versed in politics but as I understand it the Liberals are likely to temporarily raise the living standard by borrowing money and making life harder for future generations. I think it is foolish to raise living standards by borrowing money. I could be wrong about this though.


I'm not generally a fan of the Liberals, but post-Pierre Trudeau years they've actually been better than the Conservatives at balancing budgets and paying off the national debt.


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17 Feb 2014, 11:05 am

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NDP performance in Manitoba is not transferable to the greater Western region. An unpopular 1 percentage point PST hike by the Manitoba NDP Government has gravely damaged the party brand in the province.


You're quite right, and my analysis was short.

Manitoba, nonetheless, presents some strong opportunities for Liberal pickups in the next General election, and this is supported, in part, by the unpopularity of the provincial government. Whether 18 months is enough to reverse that is hard to see, especially if Trudeau maintains momentum nationally, and remains the preferred alternative to Harper. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the Liberals to pick up four seats in Manitoba.

Saskatchewan looks bleak outside Wascana, based on the last election, and I suspect the pickups here will be NDP. Alberta, on the other hand, will present some new urban ridings that might well be ripe for the picking. With a moderate national swing, Edmonton Centre and Calgary Centre both look vulnerable, and even Edmonton Strathcona might come into play if there's a strong move to the Liberals, nationally.

None of these are large pickups, but they are potentially enough to create a plurality.


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19 Feb 2014, 5:10 pm

Trudeau seems to have rather slick economic messaging.

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19 Feb 2014, 5:20 pm

I'd love to see the NDP form a federal government in Canada but I don't see it happening sadly. I guess the Liberals getting back in wouldn't be such a bad thing. It would surely be an improvement over that idiot Harper.



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19 Feb 2014, 5:22 pm

Vote splitting ahead?

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January showed a continuation of what we had seen in 2013. The Liberals retain the lead, which they have held now since April 2013. The Conservatives remain below 30% and the NDP is stuck in third. There are some interesting regional contests, though, with a three-way race persisting in British Columbia and Ontario and Quebec hardly decided.


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19 Feb 2014, 5:40 pm

Do you think there could be a hung parliament if that vote splitting continues to be present in the polls?



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19 Feb 2014, 5:43 pm

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Do you think there could be a hung parliament if that vote splitting continues to be present in the polls?


They'll probably be a return to 2005-2011 minority governments.


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19 Feb 2014, 5:44 pm

Also, f*ck, these "Senate Liberal" politicians are so godawfully slimey.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06zj1a4b37c[/youtube]

Sophistry at it's finest.


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