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And for what reason are Creationists so insidiously and disingenuously impose Creationism into public classrooms? For no other reason than that they believe that we have the problems we have in society because children are not taught to believe in, and fear, God. That all of our societal problems would just vanish if we could but just get the spirit of God into them (indoctrination). I seriously doubt that in America, very many children get to the age of going to school without already being thoroughly introduced to religion. I cannot even imagine that 5% of American children are not introduced to religion at home or in church by about age 6-7. Personally, I know of NO children that age who are not familiar with the terms God and Jesus by that age. Do Creationist seriously believe that if we can just pound that more firmly into their heads, while denouncing science as a bunch of lies intended to turn people away from God? Now THAT is the biggest lie that you can tell a child, is that science is teaching evolution is an attack on Creationism if you are teaching children things like that, then you are wasting your time sending them to school to learn anything about how to exist in the real world. You are insulting the intelligence of your own children to teach them things like that. You are insulting your own intelligence to teach children things like that.

Do you actually believe human beings do bad things because schools are teaching them to disrespect God? Are you that simpleminded, Creationists? I have seen people come walking right out of churches fighting with each other, vandalizing property, cursing, drinking excessively, stealing, lying and indulging in every other act of sin they have been warned about in church. People do bad things because they are HUMAN BEINGS, not because schools have taught them to disrespect God. Not because they have not been taught thoroughly enough about God. It is because they have eyes and ears and see that even the most devout person still does bad things. Belief in God or attendance in church or brainwashing kids is not going to eliminate evil in the world. It just isn't. Wake up and look around.

Why cant you realize that children and adults do bad things because they are taught bad things. They emulate society, their peers and their own families. That is a reality. You cannot brainwash children to believ something just to make them behave a certain way. You have to care about them, and love them, but you also have to care about humanity and love other living beings. You cannot set two examples and expect children to follow only one path. It is unrealistic, unreasonable, and quite frankly, ignorant.

I see Christians threaten the life of Atheists, or bully and try to intimidate Atheists, not because of what an Atheist does or says, but simply because the Atheist does not share your belief in God. I see Christians accuse the LGBT community of being evil, immoral and everything else under the sun, even though many in the LGBT community are believers in the same things you believe in spiritually. These are examples of what children learn from society and from family members and from churches.

I hear people say "hate the sin but love the sinner." I am sorry but it doesn't work that way.

LOVE always triumphs. You cannot fully have love for another living being until you eliminate hate from your heart, your mind, and your vocabulary. If you have not yet figured that out, teaching religion to children is not going to fix anything because you go not understand God yourself.

God=LOVE=you and me.

I don't even believe in God and I know that much.

Religious parents want it because they legitimately believe in Creationism in one form or another. Politicians like it because it lets them pander to those people for votes.

The violent crime rate has fallen for decades. Over the same period non-faith has grown. Nothing to see here.

I can't tell if that is sarcasm or not. I'm an Aspie.. But I can venture a pretty accurate guess that pretty much every person who has committed an act of violence has long known about God and Jesus Christ. Judging by the number of religious tattoos in prisons I would say the larger percentage of those who have committed violent crimes believe in God. You can pound that belief into someones head but you cannot force a relationship with God or Jesus. And even people who have a relationship with God do evil things. Believers might say that the violent person did not really have a relationship with God (it is a common excuse), but who can say what is in the heart of another person? I'm not so out of touch with reality that I would even try. I have relatives in prison who swear their belief in God, yet there they sit, rotting away. And the very thing that pushed me away from Christianity, as a child, was the prevalence of people forcing me to church and doing everything possible to witness to me. Very oppressive it was. And here I am, 57yo, never been in jail, honorably discharged veteran, have not physically struck another human being over 43 years. No tattoos, no piercings, don't drink, don't smoke, don't curse, don't hate, and.....don't believe in God. Go figure.

typical Liberals,People should have the right to believe
in Creationism(stupid or Not),so why can't Creationist
be an option in school,not mandatory,though.
Freedom,I guess it's only for Liberal,socialist,atheist now a day.

No one is stopping anyone from believing anything they want. We have a separation of church and state for a reason. Teach YOUR kids religion at home and in your church, but don't impose the teaching of your beliefs to other peoples children. When you can prove what you believe is true, you can teach it as fact. Evolution is taught as a theory. Creationists do not want Creation to be taught as theory. If they say they do, they are being insincere. It is a ruse to get religion into public schools. The "slippery slope" as they say. Faith is not fact. And, as I said before, and I hear it from Christians every day, the purpose of teaching religion in public schools has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with this misguided notion that if you just make kids listen to God, and eliminate the Satan of evolutionary theory, we would not have the problems we have in society that we now see, It is not religion they are trying to teach, it is behavior modification experimentation. It's a bunch of poo. And honestly, if you were a believer in the love of God you would not be using an Avatar/picture thingy that is obviously intended to be a menacing and intimidating virtual representation of your perception of your own personality. That is not a personal attack on you, either. We all know that people select their avatar as a representation of themselves.

That's Brock Lesnar,a wwe star,Im a wrestling fan.

to khaoz-I never said creationism should be force
in schools,but be an Option class.
Yes,I think kids should learn evolution,but I also
believe that Creationist have rights too.
and that kids should have the rights to choose if they want
to learn creationism or Not.

Why is it that society is wise enough to know that kids should not be making decisions about sex because they are not psychologically developed enough to make those choices. And society is wise enough to know that children should not be walking around with guns strapped to their hips for the same reason, alcohol and voting, same reason. Military service , same reason, yet they believe that kids are psychologically and emotionally developed enough to understand religion? The reason is that with religion they (adults) believe that if you get kids at the age where they are emotionally and psychologically undeveloped enough to rationalize it is easier to get them to conform. They are too young to know any better, and adults fully know this. Psychological manipulation of that kind, in an adult, if the adult had the mental capacity of a kid in Jr. High or High School, would be considered brainwashing, yet when we are talking about children with the incapacity to rationalize, and only when it comes to religion, we say it is acceptable to impose these beliefs. That is intellectual dishonesty. A lack of integrity. A lack of consistency. Do you understand know why society is so screwed upside down? I have not looked at your age, and I do not mean disrespect, but the same rationality as applies to your choice of Avatar applies here. I don't believe that someone who is of an adult age who chooses an avatar of someone who makes a living by beating other human beings into submission is in any psychological position to make the choice of religion for a child. I can only hope that given the way you rationalize and represent yourself, that you don't have children of an impressionable age. If you do, I feel sorry for them. That is the most respectful and tactful way I can express it.

Wrt. the OP: the reason that creationists want their religion in schools, despite the majority of children already being familiar with Christianity, is because they want their particular brand of Christianity taught. A lot of them don't believe that the majority of Christians are "real" Christians.

And if they feel the need to abuse children that way they should do it in their home or at their particular church and not expect taxpayer money to do it in a public school. Separation of church and state is clear. These fundamentalists want religion interpreted THEIR way only. They want the First Amendment and Second Amendment interpreted THEIR way only. It has to stop. All of this brainwashing that is making people think that they can turn back time, stop it on a dime, and the world will just magically become their utopia. hat is the kind of madness religion instills upon humanity.

to khaoz-I should be more clear,I said kids,ok,High school kids
should have the choice to choose,if they want to learn creationist.
I never said creationism should be force on kids.
so,khaoz,why can't creationism,be an Optional class

Most people are happy for religious education, and particularly philosophy, to be taught in schools.

These lessons teach about creationism.

Science lessons also use creationism as an example of non-science.

Creationism on its own just isn't a big enough topic to cover a year of classes. After all, it's only really two chapters of the Bible, and then a few other things that creationist philosophers have raised since then.

I think you're arguing against a straw man again Bill. People don't particularly mind creationism being taught, they just don't want it being taught as science. It should be taught in a religious education class, and subject to the appropriate level of scrutiny.

How about being included in part of a class like theology, philosophy, christian studies, anthropology, cultural studies, or world religions class?

I could care less if teaching about creationism is part of an appropriate class, but I have some serious issues with it being included in any science class at all.

That's because creationism is a pseudoscience, while evolution is based on legitimate, provable science, and thus should only be taught in science class. I'm a believer in evolution, and a Christian. I have no problem reconciling the two.
And as a side note, I'm a big pro-wrestling fan, too.

It is the reasoning behind the teaching of Creationism in school that I object to. Creationists want it taught because they believe it makes them morally superior and that teaching kids this "Jesus died for your sins" theory will make them more compliant human beings, less violent, less problematic to society. It has nothing to do with how human beings have come to exist. It has everything to do with control, through guilt. Religion is losing ground in the world, at least Creationist religion, and its advocates are feeling the loss of control. They associate that with crime and violence. Creationist feel their belief threatened by the teaching of evolution, and they are trying to fight back using semantics. They are not being honest about their motivation. That is what I object to. I see it every day, religious advocates insisting that if we get "God" back into schools, society will be a better, safer place for all of us. And there is nothing to substantiate this claim. It is fear mongering. Guilt pimping. Its what religion does best. But you don't see them teaching Religion. They want to teach THEIR religion only. Because America is a "Christian nation." That is the bottom line right there. Put Christian Creationism right in public school along with revisionist history.. MAKE people believe, Guilt people into believing. What next? Public flogging for those who do not comply? I have told about my life being threatened online simply for not believing, I am viewed as a threat to public safety and security. Not because of anything I have ever done to anyone, but simply because I refuse to believe.