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28 Mar 2014, 6:17 pm

you know if more people lived a conservative lifestyle
we would have less abortion,less STD,less single mothers,
less ''players'',less people in jail,more fit people,more happy
people,society would be better.
but feminist,liberals,far atheist hate conservative lifestyle,why?
if more people lived a conservative lifestyle,thing would be better

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28 Mar 2014, 6:38 pm

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if more people lived a conservative lifestyle,thing would be better

[Citation needed.]

Tough luck for minorities living in your little Mary-Sue Utopia.

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28 Mar 2014, 6:43 pm

Hmm. Define "conservative lifestyle".

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less abortion,less STD,less single mothers,
less ''players''

OK, I can square that with the "family values" thing that some conservatives play up. Essentially, you're saying those things would decrease if people only had sex in committed, monogamous, (married) relationships, am I correct?

Whilst you are correct, you are being totally unrealistic. Plus, there are other ways to reduce abortion, STDs and single motherhood that are more effective than encouraging conservative lifestyles (though of course they are not foolproof either). I am principally thinking of increased condom use (and other forms of contraception for abortion and single parents).

I am not sure being a "player" is necessarily a bad thing, if by that you mean someone who has sex with lots of people. If you mean someone who does not respect their sexual partners, then of course that is a bad thing, but I don't think being monogamous would stop people from being disrespectful.

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less people in jail

I do not understand this point. Conservatives and non-conservatives alike generally do not advocate crime. Could you explain what you mean?

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more fit people

Again, I do not think exercising regularly is something associated with conservatives ahead of progressives. Conservative states tend to be more obese:

(Note: this is likely to be because of a third, confounding variable, such as low levels of income in conservative states, or people in conservative states being less educated, rather than conservatism causing obesity or obesity causing conservatism)

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more happy people

Again, the evidence is largely against you here. The happiest countries are progressive social democracies. Again, within America it would appear that non-conservative states have an advantage. What evidence do you have that conservatism makes people happy?

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28 Mar 2014, 7:06 pm

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Yeah... the thing about conservative governments is they tend, through their policies, to promote the opposite of what they tell the rubes that they stand for. The family values shtick is just a marketing facade.

You will have to define what you mean by conservative lifestyle before this conversation can continue.

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28 Mar 2014, 7:21 pm

Marx and Engels knew who to blame/thank:

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The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
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The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

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28 Mar 2014, 7:31 pm

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Utah, Texas, and Arizona keep looking better and better. :thumright:

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28 Mar 2014, 8:03 pm

person with a conservative lifestyle is someone who stays in shape,
is a loyal partners,if a male,treats his GF,wife with respect,
never cheat,no drugs,not an a**hole.

conservative women are loyal to their partner,love
their kids,know how to raise a family,date,marry men,
who are good,have good values.

this also apply to gay and lesbians too,who
should be loyal partners,no drugs,all the other stuff I said.

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28 Mar 2014, 8:10 pm

Below is a map of the teenage pregnancy rate worldwide. The US is more conservative and Christian than Europe, yet they haven a very high teenage pregnancy rate. Some other tidbits from the wiki article:

"The teenage birth rate in the United States is the highest in the developed world, and the teenage abortion rate is also high.[11] In 2005 in the U.S., the majority (57%) of teen pregnancies resulted in a live birth, 27% ended in an induced abortion, and 16% in a fetal loss."

So a teenage pregnancy is also likely to result in an abortion.

"The latest data from the United States shows that the states with the highest teenage birthrate are Mississippi, New Mexico and Arkansas while the states with the lowest teenage birthrate are New Hampshire, Massachusetts and Vermont."

So the conservative states have higher teen pregnancy compared to less conservative states.

And the graph below you can see that teenage pregnancies in the US are 4x or 5x as high as in liberal Germany, Sweden, Holland etc.

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28 Mar 2014, 8:12 pm

Conservatives cheat on their partners,they are human so they screw up also.As for conservatives and drugs,I think the Bush family enjoys their coca products VERY much.
Conservatives go to jail,and they do tend to be portly as the map of fat states posted earlier shows.
I'm a liberal,was married over twenty years,raised two kids.I didn't cheat,my ex-hubby,the wing nut black helicopter believing-new world order-no abortion-rascist-homophobic-conservative sure did,and he liked his crank and crank whores.So don't try and sell me that load of B.S.

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28 Mar 2014, 8:28 pm

billiscool wrote:

person with a conservative lifestyle is someone who stays in shape,
is a loyal partners,if a male,treats his GF,wife with respect,
never cheat,no drugs,not an as*hole.

conservative women are loyal to their partner,love
their kids,know how to raise a family,date,marry men,
who are good,have good values.

this also apply to gay and lesbians too,who
should be loyal partners,no drugs,all the other stuff I said.

So you are defining a "conservative lifestyle" as "a good lifestyle"?

In that case, I can only agree with you. If everyone lived a good lifestyle, then of course the world would be better!

However, I now have to question some of the assumptions you made in the OP. I do not think liberals, feminists, or atheists would oppose any of those things. What makes that specifically a "conservative lifestyle", rather than any other lifestyle?

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28 Mar 2014, 8:34 pm

Fattest states I've been in were the lower great lakes (namely Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois). I can't say I recall a disproportionate amount of fat people in Mississippi as the fat conservative map would imply.

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28 Mar 2014, 8:43 pm

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Maybe you should switch to right wing libertarianism. The beauty of that position is you don't have to address the human misery propagation and hypocrisy of your teams actions, because it's all about theoretical, and subjective standards of "liberty".

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28 Mar 2014, 8:48 pm

funny,how liberals want to pick on far right,homophobic,racist,
paranoid,hypocrite conservative,yet ignore the moderate,
non-religious,gay,bi,lesbian,good value conservative.

most conservative live a healthy,moral lifestyle.

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28 Mar 2014, 8:49 pm

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It is something of a shock map (it makes Mississippi and Colarado stand out more than they really should do), but it seems to be largely accurate: http://www.gallup.com/poll/167642/missi ... obese.aspx

One possible explanation for what you observed could be that Mississippi people are just over the threshold for obesity, but Illinois people are less likely to be obese but more likely to be morbidly obese. Note that this is complete and utter speculation. Alternatively, it could just be sampling error on our part (polite way of saying "you didn't look properly"

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28 Mar 2014, 8:53 pm

billi, all I can say is that the conservatism you describe is great, except that it doesn't allow for deviance from the norm that is necessary to live this lifestyle. As soon as someone deviates, they are a threat and to be turned against. This may seem beneficial in the short run, but the thing is there are always going to be people who don't meet this ideal. Eventually you have to get along with them.

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28 Mar 2014, 8:57 pm

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Raptor wrote:

Yes, well I'm sure you've been to all of those places and can verify the validity of that map.
What would a dumb American like me know about anyplace I've been?

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