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28 Mar 2014, 10:26 pm

Since most Hispanics in the U.S. are "white", according to the U.S. government, then would wonder if this article is bogus.



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28 Mar 2014, 10:32 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Since most Hispanics in the U.S. are "white", according to the U.S. government, then would wonder if this article is bogus.


Usually, by "White", they mean "non-Hispanic White", etc. in articles like this.



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28 Mar 2014, 10:37 pm

Its not exclusively white people who support the death penalty. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmevH4GeRsY[/youtube]


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28 Mar 2014, 10:42 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Since most Hispanics in the U.S. are "white", according to the U.S. government, then would wonder if this article is bogus.


Usually, by "White", they mean "non-Hispanic White", etc. in articles like this.


Good point. I found the basis of the research on "Pew Research".

It says at the bottom of the chart below that the "Hispanic category" includes people of any race, so the conclusion of "white people support capital punishment" cannot even be established, since white people are broken into different categories.

Perhaps they did this to produce the false conclusion that white people actually support capital punishment when perhaps the number was only 49% or less, so they had to break up white people into two categories to make the number higher than 50%.

http://www.pewforum.org/2014/03/28/shri ... h-penalty/

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29 Mar 2014, 2:38 pm

I think the article clearly demonstrated how capital punishment was at one time used as a means of racial control of blacks by whites. But how many whites today can seriously be accused of such a thing? Now, I ask that not out of racial insensitivity, as I am the first to admit that white privilege clearly exists, and at the expense of non-whites. But I have to ask, is the thought behind support of capital punishment by whites actually so much racially motivated as it once had been.


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29 Mar 2014, 3:07 pm

lol so stupid. This is the kind of stupidity the left uses to generate race baiting fights. a more appropriate title would be "why blacks are against it" that would be more fair and accurate. Trying to turn a stat like that into a white racists issue is why I have little patients and little respect for people who play the race card. Its sad because there is a real issue there and when you exploit it people stop giving a crap.



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29 Mar 2014, 3:46 pm

The daily race baiting article on Slate.

The death penalty has been abused and there has been mistakes, I think it makes a lot of sense that blacks and Hispanics would be more sensitive to this but making the leap and saying that white people support the death penalty because they're racist is offensive and racist itself. The only reason anybody could support the death penalty is racism? What about the 40% of Hispanics or 36% of blacks that support the death penalty? Those aren't small numbers.



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29 Mar 2014, 9:52 pm

Like about 1/2 of the threads started in PPR, this one was also started for the sole purpose of stirring the pot.


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31 Mar 2014, 1:50 pm

I would assume that religious fundies (being mostly white and for some reason mostly pro-death penalty) is a much bigger factor than race itself.


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31 Mar 2014, 2:00 pm

DevKit wrote:
lol so stupid. This is the kind of stupidity the left uses to generate race baiting fights. a more appropriate title would be "why blacks are against it" that would be more fair and accurate.


So how would that be any less race-baiting?

And Pew Research is not some sort of leftist propaganda. Granted, that article was written by someone you would expect to take fact and twist it around, but that is hardly unique to the left.

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Trying to turn a stat like that into a white racists issue is why I have little patients and little respect for people who play the race card. Its sad because there is a real issue there and when you exploit it people stop giving a crap.


Just to be clear in my interpretation of your opinion, this is what you mean, right?:
You dislike people inappropriately using the race card, as it obscures many of the actual problems this country still faces in regards to racism.


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31 Mar 2014, 2:36 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

It says at the bottom of the chart below that the "Hispanic category" includes people of any race, so the conclusion of "white people support capital punishment" cannot even be established, since white people are broken into different categories.

Perhaps they did this to produce the false conclusion that white people actually support capital punishment when perhaps the number was only 49% or less, so they had to break up white people into two categories to make the number higher than 50%.

Splitting Hispanics from non-Hispanics is common practice in such surveys.
55% of Americans support capital punishment. Given that only 36% of African Americans do, the only way that no more than half of whites can is if every single Asian American, Native American, Alaskan Native, Hawaiian Native, Pacific Islander, mixed race person, and person who identifies as "some other race" supports the death penalty. That is extremely unlikely.

Furthermore, given that non-Hispanic white people massive outnumber Hispanic whites (over 7 to 1), the figure for "all white people" will be closer to that for non-Hispanic whites than Hispanics. A sensible estimate for "Hispanics plus non-Hispanic white" is around 60% (7/8ths of the way between the Hispanic figure and the white figure, but this is likely to be a slightly low estimate as "Hispanic" includes black Hispanics.



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31 Mar 2014, 3:06 pm

murder the ultimate crime should have the ultimate punishment. death



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01 Apr 2014, 9:48 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I think the article clearly demonstrated how capital punishment was at one time used as a means of racial control of blacks by whites. But how many whites today can seriously be accused of such a thing?
Agreed. I would say most 'whites' today aren't interested in any racial oppression, what I would say most want is to ensure that the mass murderer or that dude who kidnaps and then rapes his victims ends up dead instead of sitting in jail and not even serving his whole jail time. That's why whites want to keep it, it's the only way to permanently get rid of these monsters who are very often white too.


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01 Apr 2014, 10:58 pm

Raptor wrote:
Like about 1/2 of the threads started in PPR, this one was also started for the sole purpose of stirring the pot.


Let's all just take a moment to bask in the irony of this post.



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01 Apr 2014, 11:02 pm

TheGoggles wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Like about 1/2 of the threads started in PPR, this one was also started for the sole purpose of stirring the pot.


Let's all just take a moment to bask in the irony of this post.

He's being very politically correct about it,the proper term is stirring the s**t pot.


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