The bible for those with eyes to see

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I find numbers to be fascinating, despite my math anxiety, so one part of the bible I find most interesting is when Jesus causes Simon-Peter to catch 153 fish which is now well known as the representing the 'ratio of the fish.' As the first post in this thread I thought I'd start with a well known bible number:

I got that from the blog I grabbed this pic from:



The author of the blog also mentions this idea:



I don't want to spend too much time talking about it, but the combination of 10 and 7 can be found elsewhere, such as in The Book of Revelations where one of the beasts is described as having 7 heads and 10 horns. Well, the Tree of Life design found in the Kabbalah has 7 unique levels of 10 spheres or emanations of god (the Sephirot). The shape of the Tree can be formed with multiple 'measures of the fish' in the sacred geometry design of the flower of life.



I'm rushing this because I gotta make dinner and hit the hay right now, but I hope someone else can contribute more of the really interesting things that can be found in the bible when you read between the lines.

That's not just the Bible. Those are interesting things you can find in numbers. You can find numbers anywhere.

There's a 3 1/2 hour video on Youtube called 'Secrets Hidden In Plain Sight' where the author gets into 153 on a couple different occasions. In one part he's looking at a triangle related to stonehenge and then a larger macro triangle based on where the stone was cut and quarried - in both cases it was a matter of the 5:12:13 ratio triangle and he mentioned the square root of 153 being present as a hypotenuse when a harmonic was cut and thus the triangle was reduced to a side of 3 and base of 12. In the other occasion he shows the pyramid at the Louvre that Mitterrand had built, ie. the 666 panes of glass, having 153 complete/uncut panes per side.

What really gets clear from that video - people have known for a very long time about 6/5 as a sacred ratio. That's representative of the Hexagram and Pentagram, ie. macrocosm and microcosm, thus they did this apparently to show supremacy of 6 over 5 as well as reemphasize their own sense of the value of these numbers.

As for 153 being the sum of 17 - that's a good call. I don't know if you can necessarily take that as 10 + 7 however because you'd still be importing the 7 from ancient astrology (ie. the Ptolemaic seven luminaries or 'seven planets') and adding them to ten of something unrelated. Typically the astrological numbers are 7, 12, and of course 19. One of the things they clearly would see as sacred with ten, based on the summation approach, is that the sum of 10 is 55, and in numerological math that's the two halves of ten looking back at each other. I do know that in Sephir Yetzirah, aside from 10 sephira, there are given in addition to the 12 singles and 7 doubles the 3 mothers which are associated to air, water, and fire (apparently there are occult reasons for which earth is considered an amalgamation or summary element, then again just as many groups seem to treat fire and water as the two primaries and even air as a product rather than pure element).

The 17 phenomena sounds very interesting - keep researching that and let us know if you see anything else that it's related to. Agrippa's 3 Books on Occult Philosophy might have a brief disposition on its occult value and I'm sure googling 'occult value of 17' might throw out a few interesting bits and pieces. If I were to take Paul Foster Case at his numerology one might be able to say that 17 is 7 through the agency of 1 - ie. equilibrium through the agency of the monad or beginning.

An interesting Revelations side note - 666 is the sum of 36. That also happens to be, among magic squares, the sum of the solar square.

I was expecting a coloring book!

Isn't there a "golden mean" too where visual images are mathematically calculated always to the same proportion to create the same effect?

The dragon with seven heads is a very old concept. It runs from Mesopotamia to Canaan to later Jewish mythology. It's a beast that the gods in each tradition battle and defeat, including Yahweh. Numerological significance might have been added later but I think it's drawn from a classic chaos monster tradition. Also, Jewish mysticism was a later invention than the seven headed dragon and the author of Revelations was a Christian, not a Jew.

That doesn't make a later jewish mystical link impossible though. The author of Revelations is clearly using certain imagery to make some statement.



Assuming that is all true it wouldnt be surprising that Hellenistic writers would include Hellenistic concepts. Several of Paul's adventures in Acts parallel ancient Greek stories.

You can paint by numbers too.

Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see.

I liked Counterstrike's use of that one best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLHMWvi3TL0

I'm going to venture a guess that the vast majority of books have numbers in them.

Reminds me of the weirdest software project I ever had many years ago. A private client wanted me to write software to calculate values based on biblical text written in ancient Greek. I thought it was nonsense but he paid cash for the software so "the customer is always right" There was a whole group of them who got together and searched for hidden meanings in the bible based on these generated numbers. They were getting a book published based on the output generated by my software. No idea who the publisher was or who the intended readership was. The whole thing was "out there" as they say.

Typically that's a technique used on the Torah (ie. Genesis thru Deuteronomy) and it falls under the headings of gematria, notarikon, and temurah. The 'Bible Code' stuff is a different technique as it's attempting to leave the letters as letters and play word-search.

Gematria! That word sounds familiar. I think that's what he called it.

AFAIK they actually did play that game when writing texts in Hebrew/Canaanite, ie. to speak to different audiences on different levels they'd play games with the way the text was written - in particular taking advantage of the dual nature of character sets such as Hebrew/Canaanite or Greek in having attribution of both number and letter.

I don't necessarily know if its that crazy if it happens that they're looking for things that the Babylonian Jews who wrote the Torah deliberately did with the text. As for thinking that they'll find stuff directly written by God in it - that's scrying and if they want to go that route they might as well try tea leaves, runes, or observing how cheerieohs float in milk as it would be a lot less expensive and yield the same results or nonresults depending on what one might believe.

I've no idea what hidden meanings they were looking for. It must have been twenty years ago, if not longer, when I wrote this software for them. They'd been calculating the values by hand and found it very laborious and at the time there was no software available to automate the process, hence he got me to write the custom software for him to his exact specification. It was interesting in a way and I created a virtual keyboard in ancient Greek for him to type in and display the letters on a standard QWERTY keyboard. It generated lots of paper output... what they did with it at that point I've no idea. He did show me a huge pile of output at one point and mention that it was going to be published. Weird stuff!

Yoo Hoo! The square root of three is irrational. It is not equal to any ratio of integers.

The bible is a book of tales for late Bronze Age pre-scientific people who believed the earth was not a sphere, that the son went around the earth and that pi was equal to three.

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