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08 May 2014, 3:49 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwcEE-oQVQM[/youtube]Furhtermore we have proof of evolution and also creationists do not have any proof that we were made of claY. Case closed!http://godisimaginary.com/


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08 May 2014, 3:50 am

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08 May 2014, 4:05 am

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08 May 2014, 6:43 am

Just to point out .. based on your title of 'Re: God is not real PROOF!' ...

as was point out in another video you posted .. of 'God' and Jeffery' discussing "How to Create a Universe" ...

'God' and Jeffery' stated that 'GOD is outside reality, so GOD is not real (i.e., in reality)'

apparently this is how some atheist construct arguments ...

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"Premise: "Reality" is denotative of all of that which exists."
"Premise: "Entity X is postulated to exist outside of reality."

source, http://carm.org/all-of-reality-and-gods-existence

Thus, the determination of "non-realness" would already be supposed by atheists?


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08 May 2014, 7:27 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Just to point out .. based on your title of 'Re: God is not real PROOF!' ...

as was point out in another video you posted .. of 'God' and Jeffery' discussing "How to Create a Universe" ...

'God' and Jeffery' stated that 'GOD is outside reality, so GOD is not real (i.e., in reality)'

apparently this is how some atheist construct arguments ...

Quoted:
"Premise: "Reality" is denotative of all of that which exists."
"Premise: "Entity X is postulated to exist outside of reality."

source, http://carm.org/all-of-reality-and-gods-existence

Thus, the determination of "non-realness" would already be supposed by atheists?


If the second premise is that an entity X is outside reality (which is what Christians and religious people technically say about God) and the first premise is that reality is by definition all that exist, then it is a proof by contradiction. The argument stands.



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08 May 2014, 7:29 am

One of the few good things about being (a) God is surely that You get to decide if You're real or not, and just how real You are.

Has any theist ever been persuaded by any of this? I'm sure it provides a pleasant circle jerk for those atheists whose proclamations of God's non-existence has the tone of a recently dumped man who will, apropos of nothing, angrily insist that, no, he is definitely over his ex and was going to dump her anyway and he's better off without her and have you seen that jerk she's with now? But as though people pick through various theistic arguments and ideas and choose the one they find most, to use a much abused word, 'rational', a belief which can then be dropped the moment a more persuasive 'rational' argument comes along. Ffs.


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08 May 2014, 10:56 am

A logical contradiction in the definition of a god is, iirc, the only argument that Christians apologist William Lane Craig would consider to be a credible challenge. But that's because he knows that more word salad could always be generated to excuse any supposed contradiction.

These are often people who will excuse genocide and rape if the storm god Yahweh demanded it. You aren't going to reach them with arguments over logic. But then again these arguments are rarely about reaching dedicated Christians. It's about reaching the silent majority who are only signed on because it's the majority view of their birthplace. People who will drop the faith if given grounds.



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09 May 2014, 1:51 pm

Christian Fundamentalist God is only one version of God among many.
Christian Fundamentalist God is not real, only means Christian Fundamentalist God is not real.
Does not mean God is not real.



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09 May 2014, 2:46 pm

Jono wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Just to point out .. based on your title of 'Re: God is not real PROOF!' ...

as was point out in another video you posted .. of 'God' and Jeffery' discussing "How to Create a Universe" ...

'God' and Jeffery' stated that 'GOD is outside reality, so GOD is not real (i.e., in reality)'

apparently this is how some atheist construct arguments ...

Quoted:
"Premise: "Reality" is denotative of all of that which exists."
"Premise: "Entity X is postulated to exist outside of reality."

source, http://carm.org/all-of-reality-and-gods-existence

Thus, the determination of "non-realness" would already be supposed by atheists?


If the second premise is that an entity X is outside reality (which is what Christians and religious people technically say about God) and the first premise is that reality is by definition all that exist, then it is a proof by contradiction. The argument stands.

The problem is one of what exactly constitutes "reality" and "all of reality." Obviously if God exists, He is real and doesn't exist outside reality. The question is what is meant by "real"? It would be correct to say God exists beyond PHYSICAL reality. The Christian view would be that physical reality is not all-of-reality, or all that there really is.



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10 May 2014, 12:31 pm

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11 May 2014, 12:52 am

I think Yuri Gagarin said it best when he became the first man to enter space and said the words "I see no God up here."



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11 May 2014, 12:56 am

FrankiDelano wrote:
I think Yuri Gagarin said it best when he became the first man to enter space and said the words "I see no God up here."
Upon further examination I found myself incorrect, Gargarin did not say this, it was actually a ruse played by Kruschev (shoe banging bastard). Though Gargarin still did say one of my favorite qutoes "I see Earth! It's so beautiful!"



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11 May 2014, 8:22 am

Did he see any gravity? Any ultraviolet or infrared light? Any black holes?



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11 May 2014, 10:27 am

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Did he see any gravity? Any ultraviolet or infrared light? Any black holes?
He was only in space for about 15 minutes. All that crap is also either too far away to see with the naked or to small anyways. The only reason we no it's there is because we have thing very few Christians know about called a high-powered camera lens, let me slow that down for those who have never heard of such an amazing device: A-HI-POW!-ERD-CAM-ARE-A-LENS. Yeah with the Hubble, and a seven ton, 4.5 meter tall electron microscope with a zoom capability of up to 3.5 picometers (or a trillionth of a meter) we can see some amazing stuff. Still Most telescopes can only see about a quarter of our sky into space, and I think Billy Bob Thorton put it best: "...pardon my French, but it's a big f*****g sky." As for the infinitely small, our smallest unit of measuarment are Planck Units (or String I guess depending on your view of science).

Should all this matter in finding physical evidence of God? I don't it think it should, because the idea of god itself should not be considered a physical entity, just rather the cosmic pull of Humanity. If there really was some giant space being, or gnarly time traveler, whom altered the genes of apes to create a creature more like itself, then think said being is long gone and probably never coming back. All in all I personally believe one should perceive God, as a metaphor, or a set of guidelines to live your life. Don't pray, don't for hope God to make life better, cause I think in the end God would want to you to make your own life better.



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11 May 2014, 12:01 pm

tern wrote:
Did he see any gravity? Any ultraviolet or infrared light? Any black holes?


There's still evidence that those things exist. There's no evidence for God.



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11 May 2014, 12:19 pm

Jono wrote:
tern wrote:
Did he see any gravity? Any ultraviolet or infrared light? Any black holes?


There's still evidence that those things exist. There's no evidence for God.
And there has yet to be any evidence for time to come! A book of fairytales is not evidence either!


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