I don't get this gun culture

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Ok,I can understand someone working at 7-11
or someone living a dangerous area to carry
a gun with them.Why do people in safe
area need to carry gun with them.I think
alot of pro gun people are people with big ego
and trying to ''stick to the man''
it's like ''ha,ha look at me I got a gun,
take that government,second amendment,
yeah guns''

These people cannot separate the fantasy in movies and games and reality.

Says the guy who's claiming to know what other people think...

I'll try and keep this short and simple. Do you own a fire extinguisher? A first aid kit? Perhaps a spare tire? Does owning any of the items I mentioned make someone "paranoid", or imply that they're looking to encounter a fire, be injured, or damage their tires, respectively? Further, does the person who owns such precautionary devices know when they're going to need them, or do they keep them where they're most likely to be used, when they're most likely to be useful?

My carry gun is about as small as my cellphone, about the same thickness of my wallet, and weighs so little that I often forget it's there; there is literally no reason not to carry it, as it does not inconvenience me in any way and offers significant advantages in a handful of very rare scenarios. I'd ask you to construct an intelligent argument as to how carrying a concealed handgun that no one is aware of is an egocentric, "stick it to the man" move in any way, but I don't think that's really going to be forthcoming in this case.

Police Training 101

A weapon is only of use if you have it with you when you need it.

I own guns.

I pretty much never carry one.

If I lived someplace where I felt that kind of routine danger in my life, I would get a concealed carry permit and start carrying one.


Criminals don't care about what the law says they can't do. The only time I've heard of a criminal refusing to use a gun is if they know they get a slap on the wrist unless a "weapon"/"firearm" is involved in the crime.

Simple fact, criminals avoid targets they suspect can/will defend themselves. They want easy victims.

Bad analogy. Every other developed society in the world does not feel the need to carry concealed weapons everywhere they go yet still encounter problems with fires, burst tyres or torn clothing.

I think Americans think they are living inside an FPS game or something,

My thoughts exactly. If someone lived in a rough neighborhood, I could totally see why they would carry a weapon. In a peaceful area, it usually means the person is paranoid, egotistical, or possibly has violent tendencies. All three could apply to a lot of Americans. *ducks for cover*

Yeah, thats what happens when you judge people who you have no idea about. You make up phoney crap to explain something you dont understand. And as a result you come a cross sounding pretty ignorant. Im not saying that to be mean its just how you sound.

Last I checked, "gun free" places like UK and Australia have skyrocketing crime problems and even are considering "knife bans" because potential victims are now carrying blades for self-defense.

Disarming the law abiding isn't protecting them from the predators.

Just because other countries do not feel the need to carry, does not mean that they are better off as a result of not carrying.


You are wrong - the murder rate in Britain is falling following the crackdown on knife carrying, and the Australian murder rate has slowly fallen since the extra gun regulations came in (though of course the USA's murder rate is also falling - I'm debunking your claim rather than making one of my own).



And for the UK, click here. The UK's murder rate did go up following the extra gun restrictions imposed in the late 90s, but post hoc ergo propter hoc - the rise took four years and would be much less dramatic if you take out the non-violent murders committed by Dr Harold Shipman and the 7/7 bombings.

Maybe you should go check those countries crime statistics yourself instead of relying on a gun advocate website to feed you that information. I checked on Australia crime statistics not 3 days ago and they look like they are declining to me. I have not checked UK crime statistics

In developed countries where guns are banned, gun deaths are a twentieth of what they are in the United States.

If guns suddenly became legal here, we wouldn't become a crime free shangri-la overnight. The USA, especially urban areas like NYC, LA or Detroit is proof in the pudding that gun legality doesnt alleviate crime.

Legal gun distribution cuts both ways, putting guns into the hands of people that shouldnt have them as much as the people it is designed to 'protect' and the chances of being a victim are far higher. I would argue as well that in the cases of knife murders, it takes far more intent to kill someone with a knife than it does with a gun. Theres no proof of criminals 'compensating' through a increase in knife violence. Most crime is economic in its motives and will happen whether guns are available or not. The key is to focus on motives rather than deterrences.
I have been to shooting ranges when in the cadets and there are closely followed rules about firearm ettiquette that I don't trust the majority of civillians to follow. How many incidences have there been in the US of gun caused accidental deaths?

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People always talk about the second amendment as if that is some sort of argument.

I'm not a huge fan of our constitution and especially the second amendment in particular. People are crazy and they just never will get it. I suppose you just have to accept that people will never get it.

The problem is American exceptionalism, and the belief that they are a special case above all others.

The Chinese economic takeover cannot come soon enough, hopefully it will take down the believers of 'manifest destiny' a notch or two.

Anyway, guns aren't the be all and end all of home defence. If America has a gun culture, the UK, especially lower income households has a dog culture around breeds like raut weillers and german shepherds.

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Australia is becoming totalitarian. Google the Northern Territory intervention, and Queensland anti-biker laws for a couple of damning examples of it.

Smart guns are gaining popularity among some gun owners, but of course the traditional gun manufacturers and lobbyists are slinging their anti-smart gun propaganda because it is a threat to their businesses.