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seaturtleisland
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28 May 2014, 7:30 pm

How would you go about filing criminal charges against God? He's wronged so many people and broken so many laws. How can we hold him accountable in court?



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28 May 2014, 7:43 pm

No need. There are no gods.

If any existed, it would be necessary to abolish them.



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28 May 2014, 7:49 pm

If he existed, and if you took him to court, and if you were able to indict him, you still wouldnt be able to enforce it. Because he's all powerful.

So what would be the point?



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28 May 2014, 8:11 pm

According to some you'd be suing the entire universe, everyone, anything, and yourself to boot.



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28 May 2014, 8:34 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
According to some you'd be suing the entire universe, everyone, anything, and yourself to boot.


That's fine with me



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28 May 2014, 9:21 pm

A year and a half ago I wanted to be disconnected from 'source' and reattached to a lifestream whose ethics I could respect, mainly for the reasons you just said. I was coming out of atheism at that time and going through the withdrawls of transferring from one of the simplest theodicies out there of which there's no sentience to blame for the world's underlying problems to the understanding that something that was sentient was not only allowing human suffering but keeping things checked in such a manner where we'd be left to flounder around for as long as possible without knowledge on how to actually solve our dilemmas.

Seems the usual response these kinds of ethical inquiries, should you get a 'supernatural' response, is getting hug-tackled by the divine and potentially an ecstatic experience (not too far from the feeling of MDMA) to forget about your trouble. Supposedly we're all in on the joke at other levels of our consciousness (and that ecstatic experience comes from our higher and outside portions) but at this level it's all in earnest. I used to think of that as the psychopathy of heaven. The Great Work seems like it's the only ethical answer to such a situation that holds any water, in that case the ecstatic responses of the divine would perhaps be it trying to separate itself out from our trouble as if trying to squarely place itself on our side but still strongly insinuate that this life, this world, is our puzzle to figure out and that its on us to do so with our own faculties. In that sense at least no pain or negative experience is for nothing and apparently it's all part of an alchemical process that keeps going until it's complete.

Anyone who says we come here because we think its a rush to pay taxes, get bent over by politicians, be broke half the time, deal with terminal diseases or have to grapple with the dead end attitudes of others, and even get roped into a mass genocide if we're lucky enough to be in the right time or place and that this is our amusement park for that kind of thing (there's quite a few of those out there) - IMHO that's almost sicker than the idea that people are going to an eternal hell on technicalities.



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28 May 2014, 9:27 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
If he existed, and if you took him to court, and if you were able to indict him, you still wouldnt be able to enforce it. Because he's all powerful.

So what would be the point?


The absurdity maybe?



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28 May 2014, 9:43 pm

We all know how guilty he is, hang the scum and let's party.
(There is probably no god.)



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28 May 2014, 9:57 pm

I would try to make a bargain with God: just tell me I lived my life in a solipsistic dreamsphere and none of these awful things that seemed to be happening to other creatures were actually real. I don't care if you're lying God, please just convince me this was all a grand illusion.
Then after that I would prosecute him for the one time I was really ill and in severe pain. I'd suggest to the judge maybe we can just let him off with a few weeks of community service.



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28 May 2014, 10:06 pm

MP touched something here in the first ten minutes:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2FT6AlX8sU[/youtube]



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28 May 2014, 10:22 pm

hyena wrote:
We all know how guilty he is, hang the scum and let's party.
(There is probably no god.)


Hooray for deicide!



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28 May 2014, 10:28 pm

LOL

seaturtleisland wrote:
Hooray for deicide!



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29 May 2014, 12:07 am

this is going to become redundant pretty quickly



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29 May 2014, 3:26 am

Meh, god was found guilty of crimes to humanity long ago and sentenced to life imprisonment in solitary confinement with no possibility of parole and no communication with the outside world... That's why we never hear from him nowadays anyway.


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29 May 2014, 8:09 pm

I think he is the one more responsible for the bad things that happen to this world than mankind is. I feel like my parents and just everybody else is still trying to get me to be a Christian and love God though. I even actually lost some 95% faith in the deity.



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29 May 2014, 10:06 pm

TallyMan wrote:
Meh, god was found guilty of crimes to humanity long ago and sentenced to life imprisonment in solitary confinement with no possibility of parole and no communication with the outside world... That's why we never hear from him nowadays anyway.
I thought it was because he lost a bet with Jeffery and is now in hell for eternity! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgZqnsytJI[/youtube]We don't need a god like that anyway or a god at all we are fairly self sufficient with science and technology.


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