The Conversion of Europe to Christianity: A Tragedy?
What do you think of the conversion of Europe to Christianity?
I think it is tragic! I despise Constantine with all my heart. This filthy treacherous scum should have been crucified. He betrayed Rome to Jewish idiocy (no offense to non religious Jews). No doubt there were stupid parts to Pagan Roman religions, but not quite on the same level as Christianity. There were a bunch different sects, worshipping different deities not bothering each other. As long as someone performed the expected civic duties of Rome they were free to pick whichever god they wanted. The religious fanaticism was really brought to Europe by the Jewish monstrosity, Christianity, which worships a moaning, waling rat who was killed by his own people. Imagine, the mighty Roman Empire prostrating to some deluded human trash who failed with his own people.
But that was not enough, the entire world, even the Barbarians had to be deluded with this filthy plague that has infected the world for nearly two millennia. The first thing these lepers did was to attack everything elevated and civilized. Libraries were burned down, scholars like Hypatia killed, learning made illegal. Imagine trading Socrates and his kind for the leprous messiah of idiocy. Imagine if the learning of the ancients had not been lost for a thousand years. Imagine Romans killing each other about whether the leprous messiah was made of the same matter as his idiot made up father or of different matter. Imagine unanimous glorification of some deluded leprous scum until the 20th century. Some cheating whore who pulled the wool over the eyes of a bunch of deluded ancient Jews made into a saint and reverenced. What lunacy!
Do you ever feel that Christianity was the biggest tragedy to fall upon Europe? Imagine how different our world could be if we were the cultural descendents of Heracles, Socrates, Euclid, and Aurelius rather than a bunch of Jewish lunatics like Moses, Abraham and Jesus. What disgrace has fallen upon Europe!
FYI I have nothing against non-religious people of Jewish ancestry.
I place religious Jews on the same boat as Christians and Muslims.
I have a very difficult time wrapping my head around believing in a man who was not really a man, but the living god/son/holy spirit, that was immaculately conceived, and whom died for the sins for all of mankind. I believe that Jesus was a prophet of sorts; his teachings about the welfare of others was very important for instance, but as far as him being the son of a god (whom we are all supposed to fear for some reason), is beyond me.
the amount of death and destruction that has come at the hands of religious fanatics over the course of human history is disgusting as well.
How do people dedicate their lives to that crap? How do people kill and judge others when their religion forbids such action?
Yes, the world would be a far different place if it wasn't for judeo-Christian/Muslim theology.
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I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Christianity is gradually slipping into oblivion in Europe, faster in some countries than others. In England, Wales and France (can't speak for other countries) churches are falling into ruins and being demolished or converted into markets or flats. Religion is just irrelevant to people's lives here. Can't even say that the general public is atheist/agnostic so much as not-interested, don't-care.
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This doesn't hold true only for religion, it seems to me people feel disenfranchised by life in general. religion has no answers, medicine may but only if you are rich, politics is seen as corrupt, protests are useless, socialism is misunderstood and portrayed as a fast route to dictatorship. The masses seem to see hiding behind national boundaries and traditional culture as the only way to survive and hence we are seeing the resurrection of far right/fascist agendas. Even here in Australia we saw the Labor {arty attacking the Liberals (right wing conservative) from the right. The last election was a race to see who could be the most nationalistic and vicious.
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Do you ever feel that Christianity was the biggest tragedy to fall upon Europe?
Imo:
1- The Black Plague.
2- Christianity.
Worse than Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia?
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Do you ever feel that Christianity was the biggest tragedy to fall upon Europe?
Imo:
1- The Black Plague.
2- Christianity.
Worse than Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia?
Ironically, without the "big bad evil" of Stalin's Russia, there's absolutely no way that the Allies defeat Nazi Germany in WWII.
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I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Islam was the initial aggressor. The whole Mediterranean was Christian and then the Muslims conquered the lower half. Then the Christians attacked them to try and take it back (part of it). The Muslims of the 7th century were no better than the Crusaders of the 12th. It was a different time, the strong conquered the weak. It is true that the Crusades were fueled by religious fervor but even before Christianity there were plenty of conquests. The Mediterranean became Mare Nostrum by conquest.
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I think it should be remembered, the religion and culture of the people outside of the Roman Empire, in northern Europe, had been violent and bloody. Human sacrifice and blood feuds were common place. That came to an end only because of the arrival of Christianity. Most of the Barbarian tribes who had overrun the western half of the Empire were at the time either by and large already Christians, such as the Visigoths, Ostrogoths, and Vandals, or were soon converted while on Roman soil, such as the Franks - and while their behavior wasn't exactly exemplary, neither was it as terrible as Roman conduct centuries before. The only major Barbarian invasion onto Roman soil conducted by pagans had been done by the Anglo-Saxons in Britain, and that was recalled by the native Romano-Britons as an absolute bloodbath.
And as bad as the history of Christianity had been throughout the past, the Christian religion today - with the exception of a handful of anti-abortion types and homophobe extremists - most Christian theology teaches love your neighbor today. Christians today can not seriously be lumped in with their ancestors.
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Christianity still preaches idiocy. There were cruel parts to Christianity and pre-Christian Rome, but stupidity, fanaticism, intolerance, pretense, and hatred of enlightenment came with Christianity. And in my pinion the Greco-Roman mythology was far more noble than the Jewish one. In the former you have proud heroes, in the latter you have servile rats who compete for servility to some pretentious psychopathic deity who got beat up by a trembling dimwit (Jacob-Israel).
And as bad as the history of Christianity had been throughout the past, the Christian religion today - with the exception of a handful of anti-abortion types and homophobe extremists - most Christian theology teaches love your neighbor today. Christians today can not seriously be lumped in with their ancestors.
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And as bad as the history of Christianity had been throughout the past, the Christian religion today - with the exception of a handful of anti-abortion types and homophobe extremists - most Christian theology teaches love your neighbor today. Christians today can not seriously be lumped in with their ancestors.
Just as a friendly warning, saying you're not Antisemitic is one thing, but continually making attacks on Jews may not go over well with the moderators.
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