The end of Iraq

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They are never going to change and nothing we can do or say will change that. It will only change us.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog ... g-end-iraq

Really, i have to laugh at the idea that the onus is on the Iraqis to 'change'.

The West should have stayed out in the first place. The responsibility for the problems in Iraq fall squarely on the shoulders of the British and American governments. Theres no getting around that.

Which is why nuking the west and killing all of westernized society solves it all! After all the west are all evil Imperialists wanting to feast off dead babies of countries they invade to and rejoice in the profits made off of oil and capitalism!

wonder what happened to this guy

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I[/youtube]

Don't ask how I saw it, but the other day I watched the video of the actual beheading of Owen Eugene Armstrong.

Listen Muslim guys, if you are going to behead someone, use an axe...or a sword...not a bloody rusty pocket knife, ya know?

The video made me hurl both as the result of content and intent.

The only word that could escape my lips was 'barbarians'!

Yes, they are a race of barbarians stuck in the dark-ages, while the rest of the world is moving towards becoming 'civilised'.

Give them another 500-600 years and they may change....that should do it.

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/comm ... war-crimes

I agree but the Obama administration also holds a lot of responsibility for the rise of ISIS/Boko Haram/Ansar Dine, this is the predictable result of what happens when they support Islamic extremists in the attempts to overthrow governments. How pathetic John McCain and Lindsay Graham are, they were posing for pictures with these monsters last year and now they're leading the charge of restarting the Iraq War. These idiots either don't know the consequences or their actions or even more sinisterly this was the plan all along.

Nobody in there right mind should ever vote for another Bush or Clinton, of course those are the media MIC types are pushing as our choices in 2016. Nothing changes.

I think it would be a good thing if the region formed more natural boundaries. And perhaps a larger united nation would create stability. The US and others should stay out of it and leave them to their own progression.

What bothers me the most is how we treated the help we got. We act like our troops are so brave and noble when they pull a year long stretch in a dangerous area. For the translators we used, those stretches were the safe part; they're routinely targeted for execution while our state department throws the bureaucratic gauntlet at them.

As nice as it is to think about silver linings, Iraq is totally doomed at this point. The Kurds MAY be able to draw out and fortify a separate territory for their people, but ISIS is now the most wealthy and probably the most well-armed paramilitary group in the world.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/13/isis-is-on-its-way-to-quasi-statehood-with-treasure-oil-recruits-and-for-the-first-time-ever-an-address/



If they can organize themselves beyond bloodthirsty killing they could pose a serious threat to the West.

Iran would go to war against ISIS, it's time the US takes a step back from its anti-Iranian stance and accept the reality that Bashar al-Assad is the legitimate leader of Syria. ISIS got it's weapons as "rebels" fighting against Assad, this was the nightmare scenario predicted by so many. The battle between the Shiites and Sunnis can't be stopped.

Yes, it's huge stupidity. But this feels a bit like a catch 22, at least when looking at people's opinion. I think it's really a bad idea to interfere in the muslim world at all. Yet when some atrocity happens people understandably cry for intervention while at the same time criticising the West for being 'world police'. I myself think that it's (morally) wrong to all parties involved to militarily intervene in a country because we don't like some Bad Guy. Luckily that didn't happen in Syria for example as I hate the idea of taking the local people's chances and choices away of being able to side with whatever militia. What arrogance is in you when you decide that a country will have to live under the iron fist of Al Qaeda? A mixture of sheer stupidity and apparent arrogance.

We should definitely learn from Iraq, Afghanistan and all other pointless interventions that weren't good for anyone except the new scum in power and the weapons industry.

Tragically I'm afraid that the onus IS on the Iraqis. Not because this horrible chaos is necessarily their fault but because there's simply no other option. Not about right or wrong, but about how to clean up the mess. And no matter how much responsibility governments take, even if Bush was to flog himself on national TV, Iraq and Afghanistan are still the same unsalvageable mess.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opini ... .html?_r=0

This is about it.

Believe it or not, pretty much EVERY WAR since WWII was solely the product of people WANTING WAR to make money off of it.

Not that there weren't monsters to be slain, but their rise to power was largely facilitated by those knowing they'd make a ton of money selling guns to both sides of the conflict.

every one from the beginning of time almost

Smedley Butler said it best, war is a racket