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06 Jul 2014, 7:28 pm

This boy is way out in left field.

"The former Republican presidential candidate added that his theory was proved by the fact that the president had not responded to his letter, and had not deployed drones to the border."

Deploy drones to border to do what, specifically? Murder unarmed people for simply walking across the border? Little children?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/06/a ... no&oswrr=1



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06 Jul 2014, 8:23 pm

Surveillance drones on the border are nothing new.


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06 Jul 2014, 10:11 pm

Raptor wrote:
Surveillance drones on the border are nothing new.


Yes and no.

CBP has had provisional approval from the FAA to fly drones in support of border protection activities. The approval is fairly narrow, and I'm not sure at this point whether it's still active or not. They've also had the air force fly unarmed predator drone operations for them in support of border protection efforts, but predators aren't particularly well-suited to the task.

The FAA is currently in the process of drafting rules to deal with drones operating outside of military operations in US airspace, which includes law enforcement use by agencies like CBP. Once those rules are ratified, we'll likely see a lot more drones in use by CBP and state agencies on the border.

Having said all that though, a drone isn't going to stop someone from crossing the border, and CBP agents can't stop everyone from crossing the border. Drones are great tools to provide agents situational awareness so they don't walk into situations they aren't prepared for, but without a border patrol agent to stop them, drones are useless. And short of literally posting a line of border patrol agents 100 yards from each other in a line across the border, agents can't stop everyone either.

Our immigration process for immigrants that want to come here legally is totally broken, and no one aside from Marco Rubio and a couple of Democrats are actually interested in fixing it.


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07 Jul 2014, 1:17 am

Barack Obama is deporting more people from the US than his predecessor, George W. Bush - by a wide margin.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... -on-issue/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... s-in-2012/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... sapproval/

This doesn't exactly lend support to the conspiracy theory about the Obama administration deliberately bringing more illegal immigrants into the country.



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07 Jul 2014, 1:35 am

Rick Perry is so adorable. His childish conspiracy ideas and rants are just so cute. He really should be sent outside to play on his swingset, catch fireflies, and eat his cookies and milk in kindergarten. He is just a silly, little boy that hopefully will grow into a responsible adult.



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07 Jul 2014, 7:26 am

Our southern border is where our military should be concentrated, instead of invading other countries and provoking attacks on Americans. Just as our military is used in humanitarian missions around the world that do not involve killing other human beings, our military could be used to patrol the border with Mexico.



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07 Jul 2014, 11:23 am

khaoz wrote:
Our southern border is where our military should be concentrated, instead of invading other countries and provoking attacks on Americans. Just as our military is used in humanitarian missions around the world that do not involve killing other human beings, our military could be used to patrol the border with Mexico.


Agree, our troops should should be guarding ours borders instead the border betwen Afghanistan and Pakistan. There was a guy who advocated just that the past two presidential elections btw... :wink:

Perry does bring up an interesting point about how this handcuffs disaster relief however, we've been pretty lucky since Katrina and if another bad one were to occur it could be too much strain for an already overstretched system.

Defending our borders aren't suppose to be the responsibility of the states but federal government has failed in it's job be it deliberate or incompetence, the states have been forced to pick up the slack. I don't like Sheriff Joe but Sheriff Joe exists because of Washington's failure to recognize and effectively deal with the problem of illegal immigration and the security of nation's porous southern border which disproportionately effects and quite obviously so our border states.

I don't really understand why we can't put these people on buses back to their own countries, I'm figuring our neighbors to south aren't as welcoming as we are. They're being bused thousands of miles away in this country, why not home?

Also, another check against the War on Drugs as many of these folk are saying they're fleeing drug violence and I imagine most of the human traffickers have ties to it as well and are taking advantage of this flood of people coming across our border.



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07 Jul 2014, 12:02 pm

khaoz wrote:
Our southern border is where our military should be concentrated, instead of invading other countries and provoking attacks on Americans. Just as our military is used in humanitarian missions around the world that do not involve killing other human beings, our military could be used to patrol the border with Mexico.


There's a limit to how much support military troops can give to CBP for border patrol operations due to posse comitatus: http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defensean ... Border.htm


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07 Jul 2014, 1:01 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Our southern border is where our military should be concentrated, instead of invading other countries and provoking attacks on Americans. Just as our military is used in humanitarian missions around the world that do not involve killing other human beings, our military could be used to patrol the border with Mexico.


There's a limit to how much support military troops can give to CBP for border patrol operations due to posse comitatus: http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defensean ... Border.htm


Since politics is nothing but a game of semantics, we could just keep military on the border all the time and call their function at that location "training exercises." The people who want to b***h about an unsecure border need to either make an adjustment in priorities or keep their mouth shut about POTUS not doing his job



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07 Jul 2014, 1:57 pm

Jacoby wrote:
khaoz wrote:
Our southern border is where our military should be concentrated, instead of invading other countries and provoking attacks on Americans. Just as our military is used in humanitarian missions around the world that do not involve killing other human beings, our military could be used to patrol the border with Mexico.


Agree, our troops should should be guarding ours borders instead the border betwen Afghanistan and Pakistan. There was a guy who advocated just that the past two presidential elections btw... :wink:

Perry does bring up an interesting point about how this handcuffs disaster relief however, we've been pretty lucky since Katrina and if another bad one were to occur it could be too much strain for an already overstretched system.

Defending our borders aren't suppose to be the responsibility of the states but federal government has failed in it's job be it deliberate or incompetence, the states have been forced to pick up the slack. I don't like Sheriff Joe but Sheriff Joe exists because of Washington's failure to recognize and effectively deal with the problem of illegal immigration and the security of nation's porous southern border which disproportionately effects and quite obviously so our border states.

I don't really understand why we can't put these people on buses back to their own countries, I'm figuring our neighbors to south aren't as welcoming as we are. They're being bused thousands of miles away in this country, why not home?

Also, another check against the War on Drugs as many of these folk are saying they're fleeing drug violence and I imagine most of the human traffickers have ties to it as well and are taking advantage of this flood of people coming across our border.


As many of these people crossing the border come from countries beyond Mexico in Central America, that would be one long bus ride.
That, and those people taken back to Mexico don't get delivered back home, but are dumped off in what amounts to a cesspool on the Mexican side of the border. I can't see how anyone with a heart would wish that on anyone, especially a child.


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07 Jul 2014, 2:01 pm

khaoz wrote:
Since politics is nothing but a game of semantics, we could just keep military on the border all the time and call their function at that location "training exercises." The people who want to b***h about an unsecure border need to either make an adjustment in priorities or keep their mouth shut about POTUS not doing his job


Call it whatever you want, but posse comitatus means that any military troops acting inside the US cannot operate under color of law, which means:
- they cannot arrest anyone
- they cannot detain anyone
- they cannot stop anyone from crossing the border - even if they literally walk right by the soldier to do it.

Essentially, that means that soldiers can augment existing border patrol agents, they can defend themselves if shot at by drug cartels, and they can provide surveillance support and build things. But they can't actually stop people from crossing the border.

Putting soldiers on the border isn't the answer.


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07 Jul 2014, 2:33 pm

IMO, protesters who express their frustrations at undocumented immigrants are not only being paranoid, they're also being racist.


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