Argument on facebook about welfare.

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What are your thoughts on this argument/topic?
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the original point is a misnomer because very few jobs require a urine test.

People who do not want a welfare system, are free to move to countries without any welfare whatsoever?and thus very little in income tax. Unemployed people aren't necessarily lazy; because jobs get more applicants than ever before, job interviews are turning into ass kissing contests.

Welfare is often a controversial issue because people have strong opinions about it. People find justifications to judge everyone on it because they know someone personally who abuses it or know through someone else about another person who does. But it's all hearsay and I am always skeptical when I hear about someone abusing it. If people know someone personally who they think are abusing it, report them. That is what I would tell them. But don't go online and moan about it or go moaning about it to your real life friends, why aren't you reporting it then?

It's difficult to report abuse when the people who get the welfare checks are (clearly) misdiagnosed with something they do not have.

What does welfare have to do with mental illnesses or disabilities? Just because someone is diagnosed with something doesn't mean they don't have anything wrong with them. It just means they are diagnosed with something they do not have and it's not the correct diagnoses.

Also why does it make it hard to report the abuse to whoever because of a misdiagnoses? Do you mean even if it got reported, the person would be investigated and they still keep their benefits?

disability aside, its an irreconcilable problem without welfare whenever you're in a situation where the number of people seeking jobs grossly outnumber the number of jobs available.

when legal options to get an income are denied of course people are going to turn to criminality and forms of escapism such as drugs.

just comes down to the rich want more money.

"I have 3 2013 cars, a house worth 500k+, expensive tv's, ATVs, a boat, etc. them poor people on welfare are stealing what could be my 4th car and another boat, they should just die. "

nothing against them having so many things, kinda a waste of money, but meh. If I made 3-6k a month I might have those things too, but I wouldnt complain that I have to pay taxes. or make up that people on welfare are stealing my money.

without the goverment people would be getting paid $2 an hour like in other nations. companies will always do what makes them more money. and that means pay less, price higher.

Absolutely.

Welfare is for people who absolutely need it.

And, yes, a lot of places do drug tests...often with hair samples (which are more accurate but more costly).

If you are using illegal drugs, why should you get a benefit check from the state?

States that are not practicing social Darwinism do not judge the spending habits of benefit recipients.

Its disingenuous to assume that, with all factors being equal people would innately, make a malevolent choice to take drugs. Almost always there are underlying untackled social issues that curtailing access to benefits would only increase and would serve to punish people for factors that are for the most part, not their fault.

For example, benefit claimants regardless of whether they take drugs cannot be blamed for the fact that there are far more job seekers than there are new jobs being created.

In any case, the experience from countries like the Netherlands suggests that drug prohibition is not the best policy.

/\ It's quite simple; you want grocery and rent money? Don't mess with dope. Period!

If i was going to pick an example of an illicit drug to use to force a point in favour of draconian welfare reform, dope or cannabis wouldn't be my first choice.

some people need dope for medicinal purposes and pain relief; especially in countries like the United States where poor people often find themselves left high and dry by the health services.

/\ Yeah sure, let 'em do whatever they want. Don't make 'em look for work or take advantage of state sponsored job training or educational programs. It might make them feel marginalised or that they're being bullied by the state. Just give 'em the check and while we're at it, let's double or triple the amount. It's only money and we can always raise taxes.

Did you read my post before last? I said one of the problems are that there are more people looking for work than jobs being created.

Let me explain it in graphics for you

|_______________________________________| = number of jobs available

|___________________________________________________________________________________________________________| = number of people looking for jobs

Do you understand the problem now?

/\The available employment situation depends on where someone lives. That aside, it still gets back to the being on drugs and welfare at the same time. And there are educational programs and grants available in some (maybe most) areas that can be taken advantage of WHILE someone is on relief (and off drugs )and awaiting an opportunity for gainful employment. Pouring truckloads of money into relief while doing nothing to allow or boost job growth doesnt fix anything.
Do you understand the problem now?

*ahem* The conditions of society that cause people to be on unemployment/work jobs where they don't receive livable pay, are instigated by the wealthiest. And then the wealthy provide the assistance? Sounds like a f*****g cosmic joke to me. Which needs to be eradicated for the future evolution of the HUMAN race. Yes, strategically so that as little people starve as possible.

Having money taken out of your paycheck which goes toward ANYTHING *not just welfare* is being born into a legal contract that you either didn't sign, or weren't allowed to read.

I understand the possible outcomes of cutting off welfare. But the thing is, I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL HELP EACHOTHER! People are already/have been helping eachother. It's something that needs to develope more so that the United States can actually be, you know, United sincerely. Welfare hinders the bond between people. Replacing a potential relationship from asking for help, to just being the government (which is made up of and made TO protect *at this point* the corporations that f**k everyone) 's b***h.

PS. I don't have any of those things you listed.