Foley's Murder

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I know there is a thread on this, but I couldn't find it!

I have a specific question anyway - I saw the video and the guy with the knife beside him, but thankfully it was the edited version and I didn't see the killing. When I saw the knife that guy was holding, I thought it was just to use as a threat in the moment, I somehow had a picture of them taking him to a guillotine or something like that. TOday I read though that that guy bent down and took his head off (at least that's what I think they were saying).

How could anybody cut somebody's head off with a knife that small? Do heads come off easily or something? How long was Foley conscious? Yikes!

I wish this was just an anatomy question and not involved in some poor guy's actual death, but I am curious about the anatomy part of it.

I think they must have had him drugged to get him to say those things (especially to his brother), also they said he just put his head back and didn't try to get away when it was time. Or maybe they threatened to kill his family or something.

Did anybody actually watch the whole video?

That's probably why they used such a small knife, to make it even more awful. They could have just shot him a few times if they wanted to, but this is more gruesome.
I didn't find any threads on this, and I found that surprising. Here we have (probably) a Brit beheading an American with a kitchen knife in ISIS territory, and it hasn't been mentioned on here at all.

I just read that the video didn't actually show him being beheaded. Something about ISIS learning that if it's too explicit, it won't get shown, so they scaled it back.

Every other person who was imprisoned with him seems to think he was an amazing brave man, a leader for the other prisoners. Also, they had all gone through mock executions and people are guessing that he said that stuff because he's been through it so many times before and he thought he would survive again if he said it again.

I really don't understand the nature of evil. I'm not religious, it's not about GOd., it's just what do you get from a life like that? That killer probably went out and had a beer or something after.

Those are the kinds of knives used in every beheading video I have seen. We have this vision in our heads of a swift hack with a sword but actually they use those hunting type knives and "saw" the heads off. The sound is almost as rough as the picture, but I think everyone should see this at least once in their life, just to see with their own eyes how crazy insane human beings can be driven to become.

Yeah, no thanks I don't think I need to see anything like that. I've enough relatives who served during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and like them I agree there isn't any reason whatsoever for a person to see something like that. The more you absorb this stuff the more of your soul you lose, imho. You could almost visibly see a hole in my uncle Ray when he talked about anything like that, no one should have to see those things during their dreams over and over again.

During the war in the pacific, Japanese officers and their soldiers would take a few prisoners and cut off slices of meat from live prisoners before burying them alive, and then they would go back to camp and cook the meat. My uncles Ray, Clyde, and Parham never saw fit to mention that because knowing that something that horrible happened wouldn't have taught us any object lesson, I was just blown away when I read about it. There is no reasoning with savages.

During that war American soldiers used to cut the heads off of slain enemy soldiers and mount the heads on stick on the front of tanks. War turns everyone into barbarians. US military in Vietnam would bury containers (55 gallon barrels) with nuts, bolts, broken glass etc combined with fougasse making it a virtual fireball cannon, buried in hillsides or at an angle in the ground and blast these devices at attacking troops. War turns everyone into barbarians.

During that war American soldiers used to cut the heads off of slain enemy soldiers and mount the heads on stick on the front of tanks. War turns everyone into barbarians. US military in Vietnam would bury containers (55 gallon barrels) with nuts, bolts, broken glass etc combined with fougasse making it a virtual fireball cannon, buried in hillsides or at an angle in the ground and blast these devices at attacking troops. War turns everyone into barbarians.

The only hard part is the spinal column. The rest is just soft flesh. Our heads really do come off disturbingly easily.

There is no arguing with faith, it's the opposite of reasoning. Journalists that cover these kind of stories are very brave people.

There is a wide range of savagery though. Making a horrible bomb like you said is what warfare is about: make the other side die (or give up). Deliberately executing POWs or civilians takes a lot more crazy. These ISIS madmen have even crucified people. They are a new breed of evil, even the other militants think they go too far.

Still, getting your head cut off with a small knife will take a while. Can't these people find a saber or something that's actually meant to kill people?

They are not primarily killing people. They are essentially trying to terrorize their enemies. If there ever was a reason to use the neutron bomb, now is the time.

And kill millions of refugees, making martyrs of IS and the innocent people too?

This isn't a problem we can solve with violence. Violence might help us contain it, but to win this game we need to fight an ideological war, do a lot of rescuing and, most of all, do nation building. The lack of reparation after WWI led to WWII; the proper repair after WWII led to the EU.

Yeah, they are probably making is extra gruesome on purpose. I don't really get why these ISIS people are still here. Everyone hates them, it's time something is done about them.

You would have to round them up first, which shouldn't be very hard since they tend to execute those who don't flee.

The reparation happened after the war was done. You can't really do nation building when half of two countries is occupied by radical zealots. ISIS needs to be destroyed anyway because they won't be part of any nation other than their own batcrap Islamic State.

My Lai. And if it happened at My Lai, it happened at other places in vietnam. And I have had veterans of the Iraq war tell me about being ordered by superiors to kill people who pose no threat. Wiki has posted videos of our military murdering unarmed Iraqis, and joking about it the whole time. War makes people crazy