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03 Oct 2014, 4:14 pm

For all the Jewish WP members of WP have (or you had ) an easy fast and I hope this is a year of greater acceptance both by others to you and you to yourself


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03 Oct 2014, 8:55 pm

Thank you.



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04 Oct 2014, 12:21 am

i sort of recognized my SN there.. :P

i'm not Jewish, but i'd also like to wish the Jewish community a peaceful and holy Yom Kippur.


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04 Oct 2014, 1:27 am

Is it a day of fasting? Sorry for my arrogance, I'm not too familiar with Judaism.

I hope everyone is doing well with the fasting then if it is. I've tried fasting for specific days for my religion (Catholicism) but my medications require me to drink a lot of liquids.



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05 Oct 2014, 4:47 am

andrethemoogle wrote:
Is it a day of fasting? Sorry for my arrogance, I'm not too familiar with Judaism.

I hope everyone is doing well with the fasting then if it is. I've tried fasting for specific days for my religion (Catholicism) but my medications require me to drink a lot of liquids.


If you are not a child and do not have a medical considerations you are supposed have nothing to eat or drink for 25 hours.
I find it has a lot of themes in common with what we deal with in the ASD community
http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday4.htm


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05 Oct 2014, 10:41 am

I have an unusual relationship to this topic.

I met and married my wife in the 80s. She was Jewish, I had no formal religion, and I converted to "Reform" Judaism before marrying.

Since then, I have practiced Judaism although not strictly as would an Orthodox person. As part of this practice, I fast on Yom Kippur. When we were younger, my wife's family all went to Synagogue on both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. We joined a Synagogue in a different part of town (near where we live) and our two sons were Bar Mitzvahed. We no longer belong to a Synagogue nor does my Mother in Law, but I still take both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur off from work (there are a couple of social events we attend during the day on Rosh Hashanah).

In those days (when I met my wife), most Jews took those holidays off from work. In fact, if you wondered if a coworker was Jewish, you just observed whether they showed up on High Holidays.

Nowadays, it seems only Orthodox Jews take those holidays off (and you already know who they are because of how they dress).

How this affects me is, when a Jewish holiday occurs during the work week, I am very self conscious asking for the day off, because

a.) Nobody would have a reason to think I was Jewish.
b.) Not everyone would necessarily agree I was really Jewish because I didn't have an Orthodox conversion.
c.) Many colleagues who are Jewish are planning to come in, so what's my problem?

TBH most of this is in my mind. This year, most of my coworkers are Hindu and have only a vague concept of what a Jew is, plus they have their own holidays which they don't hesitate to observe (although usually not by taking the whole day off from work). My team lead basically criticized me only for feeling I had to explain my actions in too much detail.

In a larger sense though, it is plain to me that Judaism is dying out in the US except among the Orthodox whose numbers are increasing. Ironic because the US has been so much more congenial a country for Jews than Europe or the Middle East.

To corroborate my observations, a guest at our Yom Kippur "break fast" observed that in his Medical Practice, he is now the only Jew not to come in on High Holidays. When he joined that practice, it was 100% Jewish and didn't even open on Jewish holidays. Similarly, my Brother-in-Law's office (founded by his father and other family members) never did business on Jewish holidays but now it does.

Not sure what to conclude from all this, but there it is.


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05 Oct 2014, 10:54 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
For all the Jewish WP members of WP have (or you had ) an easy fast and I hope this is a year of greater acceptance both by others to you and you to yourself

While I still go to temple (mostly out of respect for my parents), I stopped fasting after I moved out of my parent's house, almost 30 years ago.

As an observation, the entire notion of seeking atonement not only for the sins you commit, but also for the sins of the entire community, seems odd. Since I do not feel part of any community.



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05 Oct 2014, 11:16 am

Rocket123 wrote:
As an observation, the entire notion of seeking atonement not only for the sins you commit, but also for the sins of the entire community, seems odd....


@Rocket123 not to say you are incorrect (clearly your Jewish credentials are stronger than mine) but it was my understanding the sins one atones for on Yom Kippur are limited to "sins against G-d" e.g. failing to keep kosher. As I understand it, the only way to absolve yourself of a sin against another person in Judaism is to obtain that person's forgiveness. Also, I don't know if the Jews sitting in Synagogue are collectively atoning "for the community" even though many prayers are in the first person plural, they are atoning for themselves. Just my limited understanding, though.


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05 Oct 2014, 3:23 pm

MaxE wrote:
...Also, I don't know if the Jews sitting in Synagogue are collectively atoning "for the community" even though many prayers are in the first person plural, they are atoning for themselves. Just my limited understanding, though...

This was the first year I noticed that we were collectively atoning "for the community". You may be interested in reading this <click>

As a note, for as long as I remember (going back to grade school), the thought of going to temple on a yearly basis and asking god for forgiveness of sins committed during the past year, never made sense to me. So, while I attend, I get nothing out of attending. That's not to say it's not enjoyable. It is. As our temple has an amazing cantor, who is a pleasure to listen to.

BTW, I suppose technically, I will need to atone next year for writing that last paragraph. LOL.