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05 Nov 2014, 11:27 pm

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I wonder how a parliamentary system would have worked out in America from the outset?


Then the US would have had a lot more presidents/PMs. In the Netherlands the last time a cabinet made it to the end was the 1994-1998 period.



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05 Nov 2014, 11:30 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
I wonder how a parliamentary system would have worked out in America from the outset?


Then the US would have had a lot more presidents/PMs. In the Netherlands the last time a cabinet made it to the end was the 1994-1998 period.

I wonder if that would have been an improvement on things. at least we wouldn't have had to put up with shrub for as long as we did.



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06 Nov 2014, 12:38 am

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People shouldn't be forced to vote, not voting is an expression in of itself. Some people don't care, some don't feel they're educated enough, or maybe they just don't like the options that they're given. This election was repudiation of Obama's policies, people like him more personally(less and less every day it seems) than they like what he does and there is a difference. Are the Republicans much better? Doubtful but people don't want Obama and that is the alternative they're given. Now Obama has to work with Republicans, he can't work from a partisan standpoint any more if he wants to get anything done. This is a check in our system, Obama is not dictator. Gridlock is better than bad government and now Obama has effectively been neutered from doing any more harm.


Maybe so, but if Obama indeed had been "repudiated," then so has virtually every President during the midterm elections. Bill Clinton had seen massive Democratic losses to the Republicans during the midterms, but despite that most people today recall his Presidency fondly. It will very probably be the same one day for Obama.


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06 Nov 2014, 12:44 am

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Jacoby wrote:
People shouldn't be forced to vote, not voting is an expression in of itself. Some people don't care, some don't feel they're educated enough, or maybe they just don't like the options that they're given. This election was repudiation of Obama's policies, people like him more personally(less and less every day it seems) than they like what he does and there is a difference. Are the Republicans much better? Doubtful but people don't want Obama and that is the alternative they're given. Now Obama has to work with Republicans, he can't work from a partisan standpoint any more if he wants to get anything done. This is a check in our system, Obama is not dictator. Gridlock is better than bad government and now Obama has effectively been neutered from doing any more harm.


Maybe so, but if Obama indeed had been "repudiated," then so has virtually every President during the midterm elections. Bill Clinton had seen massive Democratic losses to the Republicans during the midterms, but despite that most people today recall his Presidency fondly. It will very probably be the same one day for Obama.

gawl-ee I MISS the 90s!



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06 Nov 2014, 12:51 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
People shouldn't be forced to vote, not voting is an expression in of itself. Some people don't care, some don't feel they're educated enough, or maybe they just don't like the options that they're given. This election was repudiation of Obama's policies, people like him more personally(less and less every day it seems) than they like what he does and there is a difference. Are the Republicans much better? Doubtful but people don't want Obama and that is the alternative they're given. Now Obama has to work with Republicans, he can't work from a partisan standpoint any more if he wants to get anything done. This is a check in our system, Obama is not dictator. Gridlock is better than bad government and now Obama has effectively been neutered from doing any more harm.


Maybe so, but if Obama indeed had been "repudiated," then so has virtually every President during the midterm elections. Bill Clinton had seen massive Democratic losses to the Republicans during the midterms, but despite that most people today recall his Presidency fondly. It will very probably be the same one day for Obama.

gawl-ee I MISS the 90s!


And to think - believe it or not - we'll someday be missing the 2010's! :lol:


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06 Nov 2014, 1:40 am

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And to think - believe it or not - we'll someday be missing the 2010's! :lol:

I certainly won't miss the GOP obstructionism of the progressive agenda.



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06 Nov 2014, 1:48 am

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And to think - believe it or not - we'll someday be missing the 2010's! :lol:

I certainly won't miss the GOP obstructionism of the progressive agenda.


Yeah, but despite that, we got the ACA, along with the new civil rights movement for gay rights.


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06 Nov 2014, 1:50 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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And to think - believe it or not - we'll someday be missing the 2010's! :lol:

I certainly won't miss the GOP obstructionism of the progressive agenda.

Yeah, but despite that, we got the ACA, along with the new civil rights movement for gay rights.

perhaps there IS such a thing as "people power" after all, at least now and then.Image



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06 Nov 2014, 2:18 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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And to think - believe it or not - we'll someday be missing the 2010's! :lol:

I certainly won't miss the GOP obstructionism of the progressive agenda.

Yeah, but despite that, we got the ACA, along with the new civil rights movement for gay rights.

perhaps there IS such a thing as "people power" after all, at least now and then.Image


Yeah, and I'm willing to bet it'll continue. 8)


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06 Nov 2014, 4:11 am

auntblabby wrote:
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And to think - believe it or not - we'll someday be missing the 2010's! :lol:

I certainly won't miss the GOP obstructionism of the progressive agenda.


Hahahahahaha, have you guys ever seen a more obstructive speaker than Harry Reid? The guy blew the record away by ignoring over 360 different bills. That's straight up Pats vs Plebs ancient Rome crap. Purely obstructive.


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06 Nov 2014, 4:43 am

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auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And to think - believe it or not - we'll someday be missing the 2010's! :lol:

I certainly won't miss the GOP obstructionism of the progressive agenda.


Hahahahahaha, have you guys ever seen a more obstructive speaker than Harry Reid? The guy blew the record away by ignoring over 360 different bills. That's straight up Pats vs Plebs ancient Rome crap. Purely obstructive.

maybe because the bills were crap?



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06 Nov 2014, 5:07 am

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maybe because the bills were crap?


Democrats block bills they don't like? Why that's just sensible, they were crappy bills anyway. GOP does the same thing? OBSTRUCTION!! !!

Ever notice that you always think it's different when you do it? It isn't.


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06 Nov 2014, 5:13 am

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maybe because the bills were crap?


Democrats block bills they don't like? Why that's just sensible, they were crappy bills anyway. GOP does the same thing? OBSTRUCTION!! !!

Ever notice that you always think it's different when you do it? It isn't.


And there's quite a difference between democratically voting against something and doing something purely un-american by ignoring over 360 bills. Reid didn't even allow the senate to vote on them.


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06 Nov 2014, 5:19 am

Lukecash12 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
maybe because the bills were crap?


Democrats block bills they don't like? Why that's just sensible, they were crappy bills anyway. GOP does the same thing? OBSTRUCTION!! !!

Ever notice that you always think it's different when you do it? It isn't.


And there's quite a difference between democratically voting against something and doing something purely un-american by ignoring over 360 bills. Reid didn't even allow the senate to vote on them.

but you thought it was ok when the GOP during shrub's term did the same thing to the democrats?



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06 Nov 2014, 5:32 am

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but you thought it was ok when the GOP during shrub's term did the same thing to the democrats?


Did anyone say that they did? Just because you have double standards doesn't mean the rest of us do.


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06 Nov 2014, 5:47 am

I read the papers back then, don't tell me it never happened.