Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

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28 Nov 2014, 7:48 pm

Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism. If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or its various offshoots in Protestantism and Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

Please suffer through a bit of history.

The main differences that moved the old Christians to decimate Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures. They were also more patriarchal and were not about to grant equality to women. Much later, gays would also lose the equality that they enjoyed.

The Gnostic version of Jesus and his Father was that they were Universalist.That communistic view of the demographics of heaven did not go over well with those who had a more pyramidal view of what they wanted God to be. War was declared and my side lost.That is why we think literalism to be quite evil. Proof is shown by the fact that it led to the Dark Ages, the Inquisition and all the other affronts to humanity that the Abrahamic cults have collectively done and continue to do to civilized society. Not too civilized but the Abrahamic cultists were what they were. If they were not sinners they would not be seeking a God to forgive them. My cult has no such need. We do not see us as ever condemned.

The Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, see a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest. After all, if a religion cannot accept equality of humans as a starting place, then it cannot be a good religion. All souls are equal. That is scripture. That is why we connect equality to righteousness. If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people.

Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion. They take, --- he shall rule over you, --- to an immoral institutionalized position.

As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually absorb the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults. I hope their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under, and that as religionists, to not actively support equality for all, would make any denomination of the Abrahamic cults more of a satanic cult than a God loving one.

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28 Nov 2014, 8:57 pm

I studied Gnosticism in Seminary, and found the rampant spirituality both tedious and unsubstantiable. In addition, it seemed that no two Gnostic philosophies could agree on which parts of Scripture were to be taken literally, and which were to be viewed as metaphors. It also seems that this "Spirituality" has no rules and no fixed reference for determining one's own place in the universe, either.

This "Spirituality" was one of the main reasons why I questioned my teachers beyond their patience, and it is still one of the main reasons why I question the veracity of religious teachings today.


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28 Nov 2014, 9:48 pm

Well, if this was all there was to Gnostic Christian ways of belief I would agree whole heartedly as it is fair enough as you describe it here, but there are parts of it that some Gnostic Christians believe, like sex is evil, and in general that the spiritual human is disconnected from an evil flesh and blood existence that is beyond any common sense of the GOD of Mother Nature True, which I personally know is All That Is and not just this part or that part over there....

Not accepting reality the way it is and looking for something else but the way it is, is well, a pipe dream at best.

However, the reality Culture presents of Mother Nature True aka GOD too, and human nature is often illusion and not much to do with either Mother Nature True or Human Nature.

For example, sitting in front of a box at least 8 hours a day, and not moving substantially and focusing on one point a couple feet away.

Sheer insanity is what that is per Human and Mother Nature True.

But culture says do it, and the 'zombies' and or 'robots' do comply, sad as that is the truth now in society for many folks now.

And some of the Christian Gnostics say sex is evil and some folks 'foolishly' refrain from Masturbation while Monkeys continue to listen to GOD aka Mother Nature True and just do what feels good as that is how GOD truly works, when people truly listen to The Real GOD aka Mother Nature True.....:)

And then some folks with the disease of addiction do it too much by way of Pornography, but intermittent gratification and balance is the way of GOD, not this instant gratification crap, that eventually can make people wet noodles, in true effect.

But anyway, from the parts of Gnostic Christianity you highlight above, it is much more balanced with Mother Nature True aka GOD too, than what most modern Christians practice against UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, instead of for it, per Anti-Christ ways.


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29 Nov 2014, 2:13 am

Whether Gnostic or any other brand of Christianity... whether any brand of god-belief at all... it's all a human construct and has no more place in this world than belief in witchcraft once did.


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29 Nov 2014, 11:54 am

^^^
Hmm, suggesting that there is no place for Witchcraft and or Religion per a belief in GOD in the world as it is only human construct is not much different than suggesting there is no place for scary movies as they are only human constructs and have no real life consequences.

Well they do as they move emotion and emotions move humans.

And 'they' includes religion per a belief in GOD, Witchcraft for a belief in things like Voo Doo that per the scientifically proven effect of the Nocebo effect and AFFECT (opposite from Placebo effect/AFFECT) where a person makes themselves ill simply with the belief that they will become ill.

The science of the full power and nuance of human emotion is still in its infancy.

Only recently has science discovered that the eastern philosophy of TAI CHI is truly healing as the cerebellum has control over sensory integration and emotional regulation as well.

AND OF COURSE now science shows that STRESS REALLY DOES KILL HUMAN beings through the slow and tortuous destruction of the nervous, respiratory, and circulatory system by chronic high levels of stress hormones in the human body.

So anything of positive belief that reduces human stress has the potential, no matter how small, to save human lives.

Both the Placebo and Nocebo effect/affect are REAL POWERFUL BIOLOGICAL MECHANISMS THAT RUN THROUGH THE HUMAN MIND AND EMOTION TO POWER THESE real scientific THINGIES.

Religion through parables and other human abstract constructs do spark Human Emotion to Heal Human Beings and Witchcraft through I'm gonna make a doll of you in Voo Doo and convince you that you are gonna get sick WORKS THROUGH POWER OF HUMAN EMOTION THAT CHANGES physiology on a moment to moment basis.

That's one powerful human construct, yes, both Religion per a belief in GOD and Witchcraft per a belief in VOO DOO.

JUST BECAUSE YA can't put it in a TEST TUBE YET AND MEASURE IT, yet, DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESNT' HAVE REAL world consequences.

So in effect Nihilists are shooting themselves in the foot by attempting to REDUCE REALITY TO MATERIAL REDUCTIONISM.

THE REALITY IS BELIEVING IN NOTHING IS BECOMING NOTHING.

IT'S SIMPLE MATH REALLY.

1 X 0 = 0 in terms of the human emotions of WILL, BELIEF, FAITH, AND HOPE THAT CAN MOVE METAPHORICAL MOUNTAINS.

AND YES, I have incontrovertible evidence of it documented in my own life as once when I lost my emotions and almost died from my human construct of illusory fears that led to great human stress I could barely raise my arms after eating without passing out.

NOW, AS PER MY youtube account and blog account per incontrovertible evidence I CAN LEG PRESS 810 LBS at age 54, 12 times, per more than any Marine in my Military Gym, on a Free weight Parallel Nautilus Leg Press Machine.

I DID IT THROUGH THE HUMAN CONSTRUCT OF EMOTIONS OF WILL, BELIEF, FAITH, AND HOPE, AND NOW I MOVE 810 LBS WITH MY LEGS, as opposed to barely being able to lift my arms before per PRECISELY THE ULTIMATE DELETERIOUS EFFECT AND AFFECT OF ILLUSORY FEARS which truly are no different than WITCHCRAFT AND SELF IMPOSED VOO DOO.

BUT AGAIN, my doctor doesn't understand how I healed myself of 19 medically documented disorders cause she doesn't UNDERSTAND THE TRUE POWER OF HUMAN INSTINCT, INTUITION, PHYSICAL INTELLIGENCE AND EMOTION FOR HEALING.

SHE laughs at my methods and I sail away barely experiencing gravity as I walk with legs that can lift more than three times my weight of 226LBS.

And nah, that ability to float on land doesn't come just from muscular strength, it comes from the ART of TAI CHI TOTALLY INTUITIVE AND instinctual with no lessons or instruction required but seeing, listening, and FEELING WITHIN, THROUGH THE TRUE higher POWER OF God aka Mother Nature True.

It's the same stuff that religion and witchcraft has been talking about for thousands of years.

I'm JUST putting it into the language of GOD that an even an Atheist can potentially BELIEVE IN.

AFTER ALL IT'S ALL EVIDENCED AS SCIENTIFIC FACT. :)

And here's just one example of 1 rep of 810 LBS and a 54 year old man, who was a almost a complete shut-in for 5 years, just a little over 1 year ago.



It's just the higher power of Mother Nature TRUE aka GOD, too, PRACTICED AS SUCH. :)


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29 Nov 2014, 12:12 pm

I have quite a bit, there is some great literature out there on Gnosticism.

Some books I enjoy are:

The Gnostics by: Jacques Lacarriere
The Nag Hammandi Scriptures

The path I follow is from a Chaos-Gnostic perspective.


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29 Nov 2014, 1:27 pm

I consider myself a gnostic christian, and I'm glad to know there are other aspie G.C's out there. As a group, it's a bit lonely.

Though I have no hatred for orthodox Christianity. Yes, I disagree with their interpretation of Christ and mourn the oppression of the early gnostics, let's be honest: If we were in power, we would have done the same to them. And gnosticism doesn't lend itself to proselytizing, so we'd have been beaten down ourselves. No, I think history played out the way it had to.


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29 Nov 2014, 1:28 pm

If anyone's looking for info on gnosticism, check out Aeon Bytes Gnostic Radio podcast. Miguel Conner is an author and gnostic who has good guests and commentary every episode.


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29 Nov 2014, 1:34 pm

^^^

I also agree that history played out the way it had to.

Some of 'US' see these patterns time and time again, as above so below...


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29 Nov 2014, 4:06 pm

Fnord wrote:
I studied Gnosticism in Seminary, and found the rampant spirituality both tedious and unsubstantiable. In addition, it seemed that no two Gnostic philosophies could agree on which parts of Scripture were to be taken literally, and which were to be viewed as metaphors. It also seems that this "Spirituality" has no rules and no fixed reference for determining one's own place in the universe, either.

This "Spirituality" was one of the main reasons why I questioned my teachers beyond their patience, and it is still one of the main reasons why I question the veracity of religious teachings today.


I am not sure what you mean by rampant spirituality. Spirituality is usually a good trait.

That aside, you should have sought a Gnostic Christian to show where we are today.

Did you end up in some faith?

Do you not think that the fact that we do not discriminate against women and gays put's us a cut above most mainstream religions?

As to literal reading or not. Definitely not because as you will know, Christianity went literal and that ushered in the Dark Ages and Inquisition. The killed off the Gnostic Christians and burnt our scriptures because we wished to remain as free thinkers and not become sheeple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human.

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29 Nov 2014, 4:09 pm

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Well, if this was all there was to Gnostic Christian ways of belief I would agree whole heartedly as it is fair enough as you describe it here, but there are parts of it that some Gnostic Christians believe, like sex is evil, and in general that the spiritual human is disconnected from an evil flesh and blood existence that is beyond any common sense of the GOD of Mother Nature True, which I personally know is All That Is and not just this part or that part over there....

Not accepting reality the way it is and looking for something else but the way it is, is well, a pipe dream at best.

However, the reality Culture presents of Mother Nature True aka GOD too, and human nature is often illusion and not much to do with either Mother Nature True or Human Nature.

For example, sitting in front of a box at least 8 hours a day, and not moving substantially and focusing on one point a couple feet away.

Sheer insanity is what that is per Human and Mother Nature True.

But culture says do it, and the 'zombies' and or 'robots' do comply, sad as that is the truth now in society for many folks now.

And some of the Christian Gnostics say sex is evil and some folks 'foolishly' refrain from Masturbation while Monkeys continue to listen to GOD aka Mother Nature True and just do what feels good as that is how GOD truly works, when people truly listen to The Real GOD aka Mother Nature True.....:)

And then some folks with the disease of addiction do it too much by way of Pornography, but intermittent gratification and balance is the way of GOD, not this instant gratification crap, that eventually can make people wet noodles, in true effect.

But anyway, from the parts of Gnostic Christianity you highlight above, it is much more balanced with Mother Nature True aka GOD too, than what most modern Christians practice against UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, instead of for it, per Anti-Christ ways.


All that thinking is outdated friend.

We have evolved in the last 2,000 years and so has God.

Let me give you an update on evil matter and sex.

Modern Gnostic Christian views on evil matter. It is not evil.

Matter is evolving perfection.

Most ancient Gnostic Christians had their myths showing that matter was evil. They saw suffering all around them and they could not explain that evil without thinking that the God of this evil matter and world, the demiurge, had created imperfections.

Please remember that we do not literally believe our myths and we just use them as a tool to be internalized to activate what Jesus called our single eye.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Remember as well the Gnostic Christian mind set of thinking that Christianity, Catholicism and Islam are all immoral branches of the an original Catholic religion whose remnants were named Gnostic Christians.

Remember as well that it is said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian reading practices.
“Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.”
William Blake.

Remember as well that Christianity still sees the world as cursed by God while modern Gnostic Christians have evolved our view of matter to thinking that a good God or nature would have thought of it. As evolving perfection.

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Compare Christian literal beliefs --

Genesis 3;17 And unto Adam He said: 'Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying: Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

To what modern Gnostic Christian believe --

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

This means that we all live in the best of all possible world and that is why we call what we have around us, --- evolving perfection. Be you a believer or not, the notion that things cannot be other than what they are is irrefutable.

http://www.entropylaw.com/

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29 Nov 2014, 4:46 pm

We were made to worship something. Atheists worship other things via addictions.

Gnosticism sounds pretty good. Christianity is good for society.

We had prayer in my middle school and I think it did a lot of good.



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29 Nov 2014, 4:50 pm

slenkar wrote:
We were made...

Evidence, please?


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29 Nov 2014, 7:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
slenkar wrote:
We were made...

Evidence, please?

we are the only animal to have religion. Every country has a religion (or used to)

going to religious ceremonies does affect us positively



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29 Nov 2014, 8:05 pm

slenkar wrote:
Fnord wrote:
slenkar wrote:
We were made...

Evidence, please?

we are the only animal to have religion. Every country has a religion (or used to)

going to religious ceremonies does affect us positively


Then why are the most religious countries usually horrible places? In many places in the Middle-east and Africa they are far more religious than in first world countries. It hasn't helped them much it seems, or maybe their gods are testing them?



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29 Nov 2014, 8:53 pm

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Hmm, suggesting that there is no place for Witchcraft and or Religion per a belief in GOD in the world as it is only human construct is not much different than suggesting there is no place for scary movies as they are only human constructs and have no real life consequences.

A good fantasy is fun to visit, but you don't go and live it.

Having spent 35+ years as a born-again Christian, when I came out of it I chose not to be a reactionary, tossing out religion the way so many ex-religious people do. I allowed for each person to have their own journey, without me crapping all over it.

But the more I thought about how my own life had been affected by religion, the more it bothered me. I had strong faith, and I made many choices based on those beliefs: on what/who was compatible, fearing that doubt and rational thought could jeopardize my place in heaven, the inner conflict of the sins that I liked (premarital sex is a good example). I have the integrity of my own beliefs now, which used to be in conflict with my religion. If I had never been a Christian, I could have been more whole because of that integrity. This paragraph is just one among many reasons why I now see religion as a negative, whose only use is for people who need someone else to do the thinking for them. (That's not a comment on thinking people who are religious, but on the value I see in religion.)

We like to spark children's imaginations with stories of Santa Claus, but children are allowed to grow up, knowing that the naughty and nice list was a construct to make children behave.

As for spirituality, that is a different thing. I believe in spirituality, not as a transcending thing, but as an innate part of our health and well-being. We see it in our dreams and our creativity. We can nurture it through reflection and mindfulness. It is like the inner self of Jung, with archetypes and other things which have evolved in the recesses of our brains. Some insist it is the soul, only because it is elusive to science. But like demon possession, the idea of the soul is a construct from our early ignorance.

I wasn't going to be the wet blanket on other people's religious choices. But over time I have watched how people throw away precious years, just as I did. Placebo or not, I would rather live the truth than a fairytale, especially for my own integrity. Don't get me wrong, I really do enjoy getting lost in a good fantasy story. But I know it's just a nice diversion. I won't go and live it as reality.


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