Prophecy of the Popes (Discussion)

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I consider prophecies to have more in common with religion, so I decided to put it in this forum. I am not an endorser nor believer of prophecies but there was one prophecy which I thought would make an interesting discussion.

Malachy's List.

I consider this prophecy of interest not only due to the current timescale but since it has very direct language on what will happen. According to the list, we are on the second to last pope. The next pope after would be the last before Rome is destroyed or something.

Printed material dedicated exclusively to this subject is a rarity. I double checked the information from a variety of sources and compared it to wikipedia. Therefore, I find it okay to use wikipedia to summarize it:

I want people to use their imagination in this discussion instead of simply dismissing the prophecy. We would have more fun assuming it is true and then debating the how, what, and whys.

I'll start with a suggestion: An insider to the Roman Catholic church in the 16th century wrote this list because they were disillusioned with how the Church conducted itself and involved itself in financial issues more than spiritual issues. This list was made close to the Protestant Reformation movement so the list fits in with the times. Knowing how seriously the church takes prophecy and their insider knowledge of the church's inner workings, they wrote a list in a way could make the church a self-fullfilling prophecy. The church will follow the list like a script due to their unyielding and unchanging hierarchy.

So you're asking why and how would Rome be destroyed sometime in the next few decades. And why would the Papacy come to an end.

Beats me.

But when the current guy retires, or dies (whatever they do) Im sure the Vatican will go to great lengths to find a candidate who never lived in Rome and is not named "Peter".

Actually they pick their own names when they assume the throne.
But even so the next guy probably wont call himself "Peter".

If he did then he would be Peter II.

Which reminds me of a story.

Pope Benny 16 had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and was granted three questions.

The first question Benny 16 asked was: Will the Roman and Greek Orthodox Church ever join into one grand Church of Christ. The Holy Spirit answered: It will my son, but not you your life time.

The second question Benny 16 asked was: Will there ever be peace in the Middle East. The Holy Spirit answered: yes, my son, but not in your lifetime.

The third question Popel Benny 16 asked was: will there be another German pope? The Holdy Spirit answered: Not in my lifetime, my son.

ruveyn

Aw, use your imagination. What a lazy answer (I am teasing you).



Who knows? Maybe that guy will pick the name "Peter" after Saint Peter or the first Pope. If that did happen, we could all see how that could upset everyone and cause tension.

There was this obscure New Age book I read, and it claimed there would be a major find of the remains of a great Roman philosopher within a year before or after the "last pope" is elected. I have no clue how it could relate to the name. I thought it would be worth mentioning just in case someone else has the other piece.



So the Holy Spirit was a person currently living at the time?

Malachy's verses are incredibly tenuous.

The first 70 or so are remarkably linked--but that's hardly surprising, since the list was only published in 1595. But thereafter some of the connections necessary to make the links are bizarre.

Sydos olorum ("Star of the Swans") for Clement IX is an example. Prophecy junkies suggest that Alexander VII (whose last name, Chigi, rhymes with the Italian for swan, cigni) appointed Clement as his personal secretary.

Miles in bello ("Soldier in War") for Benedict XIII? Animal rurale for Benedict XIV? No one has put a link together on these ones. (Though I am sure that Benedict XIV visited the countryside at some point.)

Even Roman Catholic sources generally describe the list as a 16th century forgery.

A la la and a po po po.

Shades of Mother Shipton and the incredibly yawning of Nostradamus.

So here is another set of one cryptogram fits all "prophecies" of more than average uncertain source - and instead of talking the stuff seriously you want us to discuss AS IF there were some reason to believe?

Okay, and just for fun if Napoleon and Obama were married, and one was actually a woman, what would their baby look like? Please treat this as if it makes as much sense as Nostradamus.

The reason I think it is worth discussing is not the prophecy itself but due to the possibility that there might be people who want to play it out because they feel "chosen" to do so. When you give people a script, you can expect them to act on it. There are crazy people out there in the world.

That is what I am asking people to assume this will happen and then think of how.



The baby would be so ambiguous and obscure that it could look like anything.

okay. Lets go with this.

By the end of Benedictine's rein the most influential and powerful Catholic nation has become Brazil.

The vactican cant escape the political muscle of Brazil so the next Pope will be a Mulatto from Brazil named Pedro.

Because Pedro studied for a semester in the USA in Syracuse University and lived for a while in Rome New York it will becomes manifest (but too late) that he is the "Peter of Rome" as fortold.

The Rome in Italy gets flattened by an Earthquake.

So the Vatican headquarters is moved to Rio DeJaniero Brazil.

This first non white Pope from the Southern Hemisphere enacts reforms and bows to modernism. Allows women to become priests, and allows priests of either gender to marry.

He is succeeded by the first female divorced lesbian Pope- Pope Josephine.

But since she's a woman thay cant call her "Pope" because the word "Pope" is like "Poppa"- it means "Father".

So they change the name of the office to a gender neutral name.

Thus making Peter of Rome the "last pope". The Papacy goes on, just under another name. The Vatican goes on functioning for centuries but being run out of Rio,

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The reason I think it is worth discussing is not the prophecy itself but due to the possibility that there might be people who want to play it out because they feel "chosen" to do so. When you give people a script, you can expect them to act on it. There are crazy people out there in the world.

That is what I am asking people to assume this will happen and then think of how.

I kind of get your point but it would be easier for me to force my mind into my sister's "how long till entropy recycles and I type this again." scenario.

Yoiu realize that nutters trying to fulfill these pseudoprophecies would have to face off against the Mother Shipton and Nostradamus reenactors.

Not to mention Kabbala freaks and whatever lurks in Asia.

Can't go there.

Both Jesus Christ and myself were originally conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit (without 'normal' consummation). Some 1,925 years later, Christ has deemed it fit that I be reborn through normal consummation. He has also prepared a place for me in this, the office of Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman). All of us share life in the temple of the Holy Spirit.

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That works well for the New Testament and having come as John. But Jesus Christ, the Word Incarnate, the Son, goes back even before my prophetic roots as Elijah.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church by John Paul II, Cardinal Ratzinger and other bishops expounds upon the establishment of the priestly, prophetic, and kingly offices in paragraphs 783-786. I have been born three times in order to enjoy these offices. But praise be to Jesus and Alleluia for it!

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachi ... /index.cfm