American Suicide: How to kill a country in 8 easy steps.

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13 Mar 2007, 6:36 pm

i got this from another message board i'm on....i think it makes some interesting points that tend to be hard to disagree with.




We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context
his thoughts are particularly poignant.
Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in
Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and
leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen
Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how
immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of
California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed
all vestiges of The American Dream.
Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat
spellbound a he described eight methods for the destruction of the
United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
self- satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America.
It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the
ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations
rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great
nations commit suicide.'" "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First,
to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and
bicultural country."
History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and
antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a
blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a
society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it
this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi- cultural societies that do
not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada,
Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in
which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence.
Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnicrebellion.

France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".
Lamm went on:
Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage
immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that
all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. Make it
an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due
solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every othe
explanation is out of bounds.
Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without
much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent
success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have
been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance
that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American,
we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm
said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and
culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl
metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural
subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as
Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in
ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I
would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the
fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all
minority failure on the majority population."
"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship,
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I
would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is
against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes
to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks
believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common
Language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece
took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their
liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two
factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured
political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many,
one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the
'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as
Kosovo."
"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to
talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word
similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and
paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion
and debate.
Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established
multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of
'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our
immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has
been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant ymmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them."
In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It
exposes the plan to destroy America.
If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."
There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
cloud above every attendee at the conference.
Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was
proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the
United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Ove 100 languages
are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national
cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital
mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are
vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in
America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten
million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George
Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the
Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and
"Ignorance is strength."
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American
Dream.



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13 Mar 2007, 8:00 pm

I have great respect for Victor Davis Hanson and have read (in fact I think I have a copy of it somewhere) Mexifornia.

skafather84 wrote:
History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and
antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a
blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a
society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it
this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi- cultural societies that do
not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada,
Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in
which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence.
Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnicrebellion.


I strongly agree that we must encourage English as our national language. It is noteworthy, however, that India has largely been able to break the multilingual curse. Then again, India, is multilingual rather then just bilingual. This has forced in large measure to accept the language of their colonialist occupiers the British in government affairs.

In the United States, the efforts to teach immigrants, and encourage them speak primarily in their ancestral languages is all the frustrating as it has been shown repeatedly to drive back efforts to assimilate into American society. In the past, it is first generation Americans (in other words those immigration from their native lands to the US) who often have the most trouble speaking English. After that adaption has proceeded. Now it is true that current immigrants are generally continuing this pattern to large extent, but it is certainly not through the efforts of multiculturalists and the education.establishment.

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France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".


France's difficulties with it's local Muslim population, at this time, probably exceeds anything it faces with it's more long term native population.

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Lamm went on:
Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage
immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that
all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. Make it
an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due
solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every othe
explanation is out of bounds.


The claim that it is "racist" to raise the issue of the drop out rates of a particular group (and the rate of whites is higher then Asians) is purely out of racism is most unfortunate.

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Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without
much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent
success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have
been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance
that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American,
we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm
said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and
culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl
metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural
subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as
Americans, emphasizing their similarities."


This touched on some things mentioned before. I believe the melting pot is an essential concept. I think I would mention is that immigrants in the past tended to stick together as well. Ethnic neighborhoods would develop. What I find somewhat more worrisome is the sheer concentration directly on the border itself, with Mexico, which is troublesome, and unusual in American history. There has been an increase in Latino immigration, probably some of it illegal, in our area in PA, but many of these immigrants seem to be adjusting fairly quickly (learning English, ect...) I don't know if this has something to do with the region of Mexico(?) they are from or the fact we are so far from the border.

This isn't to say I am a fan of illegal immigration, I am not.

EDIT: I accidentally posted before I intended to. Just as well, I think I am too tired to continue today. I will finish responding tomorrow.



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13 Mar 2007, 8:25 pm

can't wait to read the rest of the post....been interesting so far....i need to see if i can snag a copy of mexifornia.



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13 Mar 2007, 8:33 pm

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History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and
antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures.


Switzerland, which has FOUR official languages, has managed to survive since the late 13th century. They seem to be doing just fine.


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13 Mar 2007, 10:31 pm

Xenon wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and
antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures.


Switzerland, which has FOUR official languages, has managed to survive since the late 13th century. They seem to be doing just fine.



so because there is a couple exceptions, the rule doesn't stand?


now....if i'm not mistaken...these places are not like america is with regards to economic stance, being supposedly one of the best countries, and generally being an economic, medical, and scientific powerhouse....or at least we used to be.


cite something a little bigger than switzerland and less third world country than india.



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14 Mar 2007, 12:59 am

How about China? Plus, India is not really 3rd world. It's definitely a comer.



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14 Mar 2007, 4:06 am

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How about China? Plus, India is not really 3rd world. It's definitely a comer.



china is an interesting exception but the languages are more limited to regional areas...and they're only recently growing due to american influence....you can thank nixon for that one.



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14 Mar 2007, 5:03 am

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calandale wrote:
How about China? Plus, India is not really 3rd world. It's definitely a comer.



china is an interesting exception but the languages are more limited to regional areas...and they're only recently growing due to american influence....you can thank nixon for that one.


Then you must remove Canada from your list as well. The french is very regional. Also, China has people that wish to have autonomy from beijing, and I dont mean Taiwan. Furthermore, their sino-ethnic groups are much less regional, and many are instantiated within other regions, or broken up into pieces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xinj ... e_2000.png

...shows an example.



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14 Mar 2007, 6:00 am

the quebeckers are a great example of not assimilating a group into the country.



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14 Mar 2007, 5:41 pm

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"First,
to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and
bicultural country."

Ummm, wasn't that how it was created?



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headphase wrote:
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to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and
bicultural country."

Ummm, wasn't that how it was created?


nope.

last i checked it was created by a bunch of english speaking white guys who didn't like being taxed. they were also very politically minded and set forth on a great political experiment....that experiment is now yielding some less than desirable results....so the formula needs to be tweaked to fix that.


multi-lingualism is hurting the country.

/coming to you live from mexifornia.



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skafather84 wrote:
headphase wrote:
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"First,
to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and
bicultural country."

Ummm, wasn't that how it was created?


nope.

last i checked it was created by a bunch of english speaking white guys who didn't like being taxed. they were also very politically minded and set forth on a great political experiment....that experiment is now yielding some less than desirable results....so the formula needs to be tweaked to fix that.


multi-lingualism is hurting the country.

/coming to you live from mexifornia.


The country was settled by a variety of different cultures that spoke different languages. Also, most of the people who founded this country wouldn't mind being taxed if they had representation.



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Then again, India, is multilingual rather then just bilingual. This has forced in large measure to accept the language of their colonialist occupiers the British in government affairs.

I have only a scant knowledge, but I believe prior to colonial ocupation, India consisted of serveral different provences or kingdoms that were never previously united. Pakistan was formed when it was separated from British India. India has insurgents and separatist groups. India recently created 3 new States and prosals are to create more new States in part to deal with different ethnicities wanting political representations.

I would not be surprised if eventually some States cessede from the Indian Federation.

IMO some ethnic groups are compatible with eath other, others are not.


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The country was settled by a variety of different cultures that spoke different languages.



until manifest destiny told them "SPEAK ENGLISH."


the country was settled by different cultures but then united (by force) under one language and one government....whereas before then it was roughly 3...the spanish, french, and the united colonies.

and i'm still not getting representation today...i get people who don't represent me and don't listen to what i have to say.



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15 Mar 2007, 1:19 pm

What about Switzerland? It has 4 national languages (with multiple dialects) and has protestant and catholic areas, and has a long history of immigration. Yet it is ultra-democratic, and richer than the US (per inhabitant), despite having no natural resources, not even access to the sea. Why some multicultural countries go the way of Yugoslavia and others don't is not clear (to me at least), and I'm not saying mass immigration is an unmixed blessing, but a multilingual, multicultural country can thrive.


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Switzerland, which has FOUR official languages, has managed to survive since the late 13th century. They seem to be doing just fine.


Switzerland's evolution as a country is much different then the United States. It used to be more of a confederation structure as has evolved into essentially a federal republic.

63% of the Swiss populace speaks German, 20.4% speaks French, and 6.5% Italian. These are the only official languages of the country.

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'm still not getting representation today...i get people who don't represent me and don't listen to what i have to say.


Sorry I didn't get back to the rest of your posting yesterday. Going back further...

headphase wrote:
The country was settled by a variety of different cultures that spoke different languages.


Strictly speaking I suppose you could say this is true, in that various waves of immigrants spoke different languages. If you meant in the larger sense in reference to the French and Spanish colonists, as well as the American Indians then this is true also, however English has traditionally adopted as the native tongue of the United States.

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What about Switzerland? It has 4 national languages (with multiple dialects) and has protestant and catholic areas, and has a long history of immigration. Yet it is ultra-democratic, and richer than the US (per inhabitant), despite having no natural resources, not even access to the sea. Why some multicultural countries go the way of Yugoslavia and others don't is not clear (to me at least), and I'm not saying mass immigration is an unmixed blessing, but a multilingual, multicultural country can thrive.


Switzerland is very prosperous, and it has certain disadvantages. However it also has certain advantages such as being a small country, being a somewhat ethnically homogeneous population (at least compared to the United States), and a century old policy of strict neutrality. I will not deny the Indian miracle, however the differences in languages has not led to smoother functioning affairs in governance. It anything it makes it more difficult to break through communications barriers in vital issues where in areas where India still suffers from, like the caste system.

A country with multiple national language is an inherent barrier to the unity of that said country. This should be obvious. A difference in language cannot be something that brings people closer together. It has often been remarked that the Algo-American alliance had something to do with a common tongue.