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To the age old question; Why would an all loving "God" create suffering.

Note the omission of the term "free will" which to me is more of a justification than a response.

"Why Would God Create Suffering?

Questioner: In the spirit of being open to redemptive love and not resisting what is, please comment on this seemingly confusing possibility: that God could or would fall into illusion/ego/confusion and “forget” what he/she really is, with result of the apparent need for redemptive love to heal this confusion.

Adyashanti : What you are addressing is an age-old question: Why would an all-powerful and all-loving God create such confusion and suffering in the world? The problem here is with the way we have beentaught to think of God. The problem is that we humans have created God in our own image.

We tend to think of God as some sort of super deity that stands outside of creation pulling the cosmic strings of creation and deciding on everything that does or does not happen. If that is how we
conceive of God, then God has a lot of explaining to do. This conception of God is a purely human invention.

When I use the word “God,” I am referring to the unfathomable wisdom and love that is woven into the fabric of existence, and which transcends existence at the same time. This is not to deny the confusion, sorrow, and even violence that we can experience in our lives. Apparently existence contains all possibilities, both positive and negative; since its source is infinite, how could it be otherwise?

The problem begins when we conceive of a God who consciously decides what will and will not happen. Then we have to wonder why such a God would decide, or allow, for so many terrible things to occur. There are many elaborate theologies to explain this conundrum away, but in the end, none of them make a whole lot of sense.

The problem is not with God, but with our conception of God. We have created God in our own image; that is the problem. God is the Infinite—containing all possibilities and all outcomes. God is not a cosmic someone who directs the events of life. We can be either conscious or unconscious of the Infinite, and it is the quality of one’s consciousness that determines how each moment is experienced."

I agree with that WHOLE heartedly.

I actually agree with this 100% as well.

there is zero evidence that any god exists. the universe just is, in all its glorious indifference. we describe the painful or inconvenient as evil because it suits us. we see patterns because we evolved to see them. it's called apophenia.

There is also the convenient TRUTH THAT the golden spiral mean of 1.618 can be found in galaxies and at the smallest so-called materialistic levels of Quantum Physics.

God is tapestry AND NOT MATH alone. GOD IS ALLONE.

AND WHILE THERE ARE EXTREMES IN EVERY SPECTRUM OF human being, seeing patterns that are there can make the difference between human survival and death, and there is already a consistent built in map that is tHere and that we as humans impact per Quantum Physics and the observer effect/affect.

The truth is humans apply order to the Universe and the Universe applies order to the Universe and us, and suggesting it is only cause and effect is to observe reality from a human view but not necessarily a higher order view, as science for now has absolutely no way to measure that.

To suggest that material reductionism is the truth is truly reductionist thinking.

TO IMAGINE more and to seek it, IS TO POTENTIALLY FIND IT.

AND GUESS WHAT.

I FOUND IT.

BUT IT IS NOT A GIFT of finding that all share, as far as I know for one.

If I only believed in material reductionist type of thinking as one finds currently in science I would not be here, doing things that not even 20 something year-olds can do, at my age of 54, and nah, it is no fairy tale, I have the documented evidence TO PROVE IT. in fact, I might no be here at all, as that is how serious the challenges I met and overcame in life are.

There are higher powers in this world that I can evidence, documented as such that most people never come close to touching, and nah, science doesn't even come close.

Nor a definition of chance in an encyclopedia of limited human knowledge that waits for science, as I for one move on in success in the only thing that counts, for one, and that is life.

So be careful what you wish for and what you know not to be true, as that too, could one day be the difference in your life or death as well, as I know all too well now, THROUGH REAL LIFE DOCUMENTED EXPERIENCE.

OR on the other you can just believe all the things about science as it stands now that you read in books, and that is where relative free will comes in that too, not all attain, as far as I for one, know now.

GOD IS THE INTER-RELATIONSHIP OF ALL THAT IS AND WE ARE ALL CONNECTED, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AND OF COURSE EVEN SCIENCE EVIDENCES THAT CLEARLY, AS THE SO-CALLED ROCK STARS OF SCIENCE INDICATE HERE:



SURE, 'THEY' Call it Nature, but that is just an abstract human concept of word, as the essence is truth and the word itself is only human abstract housing for vehicle or vessel of essence.

Again, the Inter-Relationship of all that is that connects us ALL is IT, NOT the little bitty parts that make up the whole alone as they are only fractals of the BIGONE of ALL THAT IS aka GOD and or Mother Nature True.

Human emotions are what activate reality in humans in all tools of life from movement to abstract words, and nah, science has neither the present power or aptitude to measure them fully or even identify all the nuances, thereof.

In fact, science only recently arrived at a common agreed upon definition of the different human elements that comprise human empathy.

Science is still almost completely lost when it comes to the matters of what fully makes the human mind and body tick in balance, and part of that evidence is that even anti-depressants have the little disclaimer in the info packet that says we don't know how it works, which means the prescription overall, in effect and affect, is still the equivalent of kicking a computer, in understanding how it even works or if it even CAN WORK, per each unique human diversity of mind and body balance.

The most dangerous limitation of humankind that I for one know NOW FOR SURE, Is a four letter phrase DESCRIBED AS:

I KNOW IT ALL.

SURE we as human beings know some things but PER IT ALL THAT IS laughable at least.

AND IF all that is CAN 'laugh' when 'hearing' that IT it's gonna likely be a heArty one at that. :)

Me Three!

We are but bit players in something huge, but we can use that huge, through a will to seek.