Renunciation of nationality, does law of you country allow..

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Renunciation of nationality, does law of you country allow that???


I once read an article about some of my compatriot, I'm a Pole.

The guy has traveled throughout Europe, he was not rich, but he could take care of himself, but he had some mental problems. Thus, the family tried to legally incapacitate him, according to Polish law incapacitated person loses the right to vote, and "legal capacity" that is, for example, the ability to sign binding contracts under Polish law.

Thus, the court began the proceedings of incapacitation, but had to discontinue it., Because the guy before he visited the Polish Embassy in London, or Berlin, and made a statement of intent to renunciation of Polish citizenship.

Now lawyers are wondering how to get out of this predicament

It can be done in the USA.

I am not a legal expert.

But I know that there is a difficult process that you can go through to renounce your American citizenship if thats what you want.

But it involves them sitting you down to interview you -to make sure you are not insane.

So if this guy were an American, and he were trying to get out of being declared insane- by renouncing citizenship-it could backfire.

No he was Polish, from i know have some mental problem, his family wanted legally incapacitate him, and he wanted to spite his family, because the Polish citizenship renunciation would make whole incapacitation procedure null and void, but also make him statelessness.

You already told me he's Polish!

I guess its the language barrier!

You asked all of us non Polish people if our countries have legal procedures for someone to voluntarily renounce their citizenship.

I replied that "yes, in my USA it can be done. There is a procedure. Only a few rare strange people ask for it( usually political radicals, or rich guys trying to get out of paying taxes)- but it happens. And there is an involved procedure.

But if an American were in the position of this Polish guy you are talking about, and trying to do it for the reasons he is doing it- it could backfire. The reason being that if you announce that you wanna renounce US citizenship the U.S government suspects that your're nuts- and tries to make sure that you're not nuts before they let you go through with it. So if you ARE nuts- and trying to do it to get out of being declared nuts- it could backfire! And- I dunno- maybe the Polish government has a similar vetting process. So it could backfire for him as well.

I've read up on renunciation in the U.S. and I know some people who have done it. It is actually rather dangerous and expensive. The UN is not happy at how the U.S. deals with it, as the U.S. is known to break international law regarding the subject and lock people up and denying them the right to attorney and trial. This is especially true if you don't already have citizenship in another country as you only have the U.N. to come and save you... which has happened several times that I know of. So make sure you are first a citizen of another country. And unless you were born with duel citizenship, they'll make things extremely difficult for you.

The U.N. has provisions for stateless individuals, you can get a stateless U.N. passport and other required documentation. Additionally, the U.N. requires that all member nations treat the "stateless entity" humanely. The stateless individual basically comes under the direct protection of the U.N. and the nation you are in must guarantee that your human rights are protected by U.N. definition, additionally the nation you are in must protect you like they would protect their citizens, i.e. all legal rights, protection by the police and other agencies and protection by the nation's military.

Despite this, the U.S. doesn't care because they can veto pretty much anything the U.N. does and therefore only listens to the U.N. when it serves their interest. If you are a stateless entity in the United States, expect to be arrested... and hope the U.N. finds out. So, always make sure you are already a citizen of another country. As far as the U.S. is concerned, the stateless individual lacks any protection from the government (in violation of international law). Technically, you could be legally murdered as a stateless person, or be locked in prison. While you can live happily as a stateless person in most parts of Europe... it is often the case that the U.S. will treat you as nonhuman scum. You can't live in America as a stateless person without extralegal protection (and by "extralegal", I mean illegal... like blackmail and hired thugs.)

Additionally, there are a lot of legal forms to fill out... and these come with special fees that can cost hundreds or even thousands. You must turn in all forms by their due date or you will be fined heavily; fines have been known to be as high as $50,000.
Also, thanks to President Bush, you'll also have to pay off a large percentage of your total worth to the government. That law was justified by the claim the money will go to support the veterans, but it doesn't, it is absorbed by the "alphabet soup" (term for government agencies with acronyms.)

The IRS often will still require to pay taxes even if you are no longer a citizen and no longer live in the country, if you have the money to be worth taxing, if not... well then you probably don't have the money to go through the process.
I've also heard that you might as well give up any hope of returning to America to visit family or anything, they have been known to not let people back into the country. The act of renunciation is permanent in the U.S. and you will be viewed as a traitor by most of the bureaucrats that are working your case.

You also are still bound to the U.S. draft, even if you renounce your citizenship.

Here is a basic summary:
Link

Only a radical would attempt to renounce their American citizenship... because only a radical would have strength to actually get through the BS, and the loss of human rights... and still having to pay taxes... still having the draft. And, the IRS will try extremely hard to have your brought back for prosecution throughout the rest of your life, which won't end well for you.

And, the rich guy may leave the country in an attempt to escape taxes, but the IRS doesn't care if you have renounced, nor does the military, and nor does the court system. If the rich person renounces and stops paying taxes, then they will track you down, bring you back and probably seize all your assets regardless of what you actually owe. But as being rich you'll probably have a rich American friend that allows for your basic human rights to be maintained.
Additionally, as of the Bush era, the government will require a lump sum that is a significant part of your net worth.

I wish I had the courage to be renounced... and I hope me writing this doesn't come back to haunt me.