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05 Jan 2015, 11:27 am

I am an agnostic atheist if that makes any sense, I don't believe in all that religion rubbish but I do believe there is something after we die. I have been thinking for a long time about life after death and what may happen, its a subject many people are fascinated in and skeptical about. I came up with a theory a couple of months ago about what I believe happens to a person when they die and what happens to their soul as it passes on -

We are born into this earth with a body, that body is separate from the soul and the soul uses the body to live a physical life on this earth, what ever that person does in their life whether it be good things or bad things no matter what, the soul still goes to the same place everyone goes to when they die. You see the brain is basically a win or lose piece of equipment. If a person such as ourselves is born with autism then their brain is different to those without autism, but when the soul leaves the body it is clear of that autistic mind and free to think for itself. The same goes for evil people, its not the soul that 'sins' its the brain that sins, therefor the soul in which committed that terrible act is clear of all 'sins' once it departs the body in which it lived in for its time here on earth.

Yes some of you might agree with my theory and the majority of you might not, but It makes sense when you think about it, yes I personally HATE those that commit evil acts against anybody, but they obviously committed those terrible acts because their brain is wired differently. Also - if their is a creator of the human race, I am sure it, he, she or they wouldn't want any of their creations to go to a place that damned them to an eternal place of torture and pain, as their soul needs healing and teaching about how to act 'normal'.

Of course I am still on the fence whether or not there is life after death, but from what I have experienced and what people have told me about their experiences has me thinking - 'maybe there is something'.

Feel free to edit a few bits in my theory and add what you think. I am no way religious at all, as I said above, I am just really fascinated in what happens after death and during it and why we are here, for what purpose.



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05 Jan 2015, 12:26 pm

GeekInCloset wrote:
....when they die and what happens to their soul as it passes on -

We are born into this earth with a body, that body is separate from the soul


I'll stop you there; what soul? What do you mean? What do you base the existence of anything other than the physical organic body and brain on? What makes you think (other than wanting to) that there is anything other than the shutting down of the heart, brain and other organs that comprise the Human body at the point of death?


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05 Jan 2015, 12:41 pm

I am going off of what I have heard and experienced in my life. It doesn't seem physically possible for the body to die and thats it, there has to be something.



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05 Jan 2015, 12:55 pm

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I am going off of what I have heard and experienced in my life. It doesn't seem physically possible for the body to die and thats it, there has to be something.


The existence of souls is impossible to prove, but I believe that they don't exist. However, I can understand why you do: When you die, your brain ceases to function, and thus your conscience ceases to exist. Since the conscience is our only means of perceiving the world, the conscience ceasing to exist is an incomprehensible idea. The choice is either to accept it, or have the belief that your conscience will continue, whether its resurrection or an afterlife, which is an idea that is within our comprehension.


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05 Jan 2015, 7:26 pm

To me, a soul is the biggest wish on anyone's wish list.

Many many times I have thought, this can't be all there is. What goes on in our head seems to transcend our mortal existence, and the mere fact of just existing seems to suggest a purpose beyond this fragile thing called life.

But even beyond that, the incredible odds against me existing as an individual are just astounding. The right galaxy, the right solar system, the right planet. One slight change in my ancestral history. One change in the choices of my parents. One sperm beating millions of others in that moment. Miscarriages, infant mortality.. It's just beyond belief that I'm actually here. Yet even with such amazing odds, it feels like I was meant to be. That's quite a psychological imperative.

But someone had to be born. Just look at the billions of others who have also been born.

It's very easy to let the fact of our own existence become a reason for existence, a purpose beyond mere odds. But that's what we do - we imply purpose because our minds struggle to grasp our own unique random existence.


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05 Jan 2015, 7:29 pm

GeekInCloset wrote:
We are born into this earth with a body, that body is separate from the soul and the soul uses the body to live a physical life on this earth, what ever that person does in their life whether it be good things or bad things no matter what, the soul still goes to the same place everyone goes to when they die. You see the brain is basically a win or lose piece of equipment. If a person such as ourselves is born with autism then their brain is different to those without autism, but when the soul leaves the body it is clear of that autistic mind and free to think for itself. The same goes for evil people, its not the soul that 'sins' its the brain that sins, therefor the soul in which committed that terrible act is clear of all 'sins' once it departs the body in which it lived in for its time here on earth.
Yes some of you might agree with my theory and the majority of you might not, but It makes sense when you think about it, yes I personally HATE those that commit evil acts against anybody, but they obviously committed those terrible acts because their brain is wired differently. Also - if their is a creator of the human race, I am sure it, he, she or they wouldn't want any of their creations to go to a place that damned them to an eternal place of torture and pain, as their soul needs healing and teaching about how to act 'normal'.

fascinating... :chin: I first got interested in the whole metaphysical scene when back in the 70s I read "life after life" [Dr. Raymond Moody] for the first time, then another book called "return from tomorrow" [George Ritchie MD] both of them were about accounts by various folk of their out-of-body experiences in another realm of existence. at the time I had to deal with some relatives who were trying to convince me that unless I subscribed to their particular religious scheme that I would burn in hell forever. so I was determined to scope that out for myself. read all the books by Robert Monroe, the Seth Material, "you cannot die" by Dr. Ian Stephenson, "Hello from Heaven," :Proof of Heaven" [Eben Alexander MD] and many others. pertaining to the content of your first paragraph, I am thinking that when we incarnate in these bodies of highly variable quality and propensity, it is akin to a skilled rider jockeying a sharp horse, or an inept jockey fighting the reluctance of a skittish and confused animal, or some combo of the two. the warped dark spirit who incarnates into the brain of a psychopath is bad news all the way around - but the spirit of a saint who incarnates in that same body will struggle with issues and "dark nights of the soul" but in general is gonna be doing his or her best to try to do the right thing most of the time. as far as "All That IS" is concerned, we are he and he is we and we are all together, to warp a beatles meme. I believe we are the creators as well as the created. IOW, the combined psychic energy of all of creation is, IMHO, God. IMHO God created all of this so that God could better know God, in all of the what's, who's, where's, how's, why's - IOW, "what am I about, why am I here, where am I going, WHY am I going."



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05 Jan 2015, 7:45 pm

Sometimes I wonder if we dream because the soul is unhinged from the brain while it regenerates or is cleansed during sleep. So if the mind and body are dead, we just wander through a dream state forever unless we reincarnate.



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05 Jan 2015, 8:09 pm

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Sometimes I wonder if we dream because the soul is unhinged from the brain while it regenerates or is cleansed during sleep. So if the mind and body are dead, we just wander through a dream state forever unless we reincarnate.

I like to think of that "dream state" as Heaven.
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06 Jan 2015, 1:52 am

Well, maybe such a dream state could resemble Heaven or Hell or any number of suppose Afterlife realms.

Or it could be full of random s**t like most people's dreams are. It might be like being on LSD forever. Maybe that's why we incarnated in the first place to intentionally smother our senses in the flesh and get away from it. Maybe it's a state of utter bliss at first, but maybe after a points it's like how you feel after to much sweet food or it's like a sensory binge.

Just my whimsical speculation. Only one way to really find out someday.



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06 Jan 2015, 6:24 am

GeekInCloset wrote:
...It doesn't seem physically possible for the body to die and thats it, there has to be something.


Simple question. Why? Why does there have to be? (Other than really wanting it to be the case)?


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06 Jan 2015, 10:11 am

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GeekInCloset wrote:
...It doesn't seem physically possible for the body to die and thats it, there has to be something.


Simple question. Why? Why does there have to be? (Other than really wanting it to be the case)?

quite simply, because it FEELS better to believe in something which transcends this grubbily limited physical reality, if only to put to lie that bit of Shakespeare about how "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury - signifying nothing."



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06 Jan 2015, 10:42 am

It doesn't matter what feels better, or what makes it easier to deal with the fact that at the end of life, living organisms die, it matters what is true


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06 Jan 2015, 10:44 am

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It doesn't matter what feels better, or what makes it easier to deal with the fact that at the end of life, living organisms die, it matters what is true

it matters to some of us, no matter what you think.



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06 Jan 2015, 10:52 am

Of course, and I mean no disrespect. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want; whether it be life after death, Bigfoot, Aliens, pink unicorns or the Tooth Fairy. I am just intrigued as to others' "criteria" for determining what they believe and don't believe above what has been undisputedly proven, hence the question as to "why" there has to be something else.


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06 Jan 2015, 10:59 am

badgerface wrote:
Of course, and I mean no disrespect. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want; whether it be life after death, Bigfoot, Aliens, pink unicorns or the Tooth Fairy. I am just intrigued as to others' "criteria" for determining what they believe and don't believe above what has been undisputedly proven, hence the question as to "why" there has to be something else.

life may have been fairer with you than with some of the rest of us. for those of us who have to struggle just to make it from day to day, the thought that our struggle will end with us merely pushing up daisies in forgotten fields is simply intolerable. I could not make it without thoughts of heaven.



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06 Jan 2015, 11:15 am

I completely take your point on board, but at the risk of "point-scoring" or 1-upping, I have no idea as to the struggles you have had and speak of, like you have none about what difficulties, stress and misery I have gone through. But, if this belief helps you and genuinely makes you feel better, and your requirements to believe something fit than I applaud you, sincerely.

Personally, I do not fear death. I do not worry or concern myself with how I will feel when I am dead, because I will be dead, and will not feel, see, hear or be aware of anything. I felt nothing for the billions of years before I was born, and will feel nothing once I am dead for the same reason. I will not exist.

I do not mean to cause offence or upset, and am sincerely, genuinely sorry if I have.


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